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[-] JJohns87@readit.buzz 38 points 2 years ago

Learning about religion in school isn't necessarily a bad thing. We studied the major religions, Buddhism, pantheism, and to a lesser degree minor religions as a part of social studies in 7th grade. I think it was the first time anyone actually told me there were 'options' other than Christianity. More importantly, it helped me understand where others are coming from even though I don't share their faith. If it's approached from a purely educational standpoint I think religion does have a place in school - and I'm an atheist. We just shouldn't be presenting any of it as fact or "right" when it's all a matter of opinion, nor teaching them about any one specific religion and excluding others.

[-] HelixDab@kbin.social 26 points 2 years ago

...But that's not what Christian nationalists are working towards. They want to teach their religion, not teach about all religion.

[-] nostalgicgamerz@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Exactly basically what the poster above is talking about is the ideals of faith

MAGATS want to teach religion / organized religion

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[-] oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 13 points 2 years ago

Teaching all religions is definitely important. Teaching that christian creationism is just as likely/plausible as evolution is a big problem

[-] MrDude@lemmy.fmhy.ml 11 points 2 years ago

As a Christian, I couldn't agree more! Let the kid learn about the different religious beliefs! I've been learning about otherreligionns and they are all pretty cool!

[-] SuddenDownpour@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

I'm against religion as an organized institution that influences the world on a daily basis, but fuck comparative mythology is cool as hell. Thanks to it we got Morrowind's amazing lore, since it was one of Kirkbride's fields of study in college.

[-] cedarmesa@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Maybe we should teach religion in schools under two contexts. Historical mythology (Made up stuff from the past people incorrectly believed in) and Current mythology (Made up stuff that people currently incorrectly believe in).

[-] cyberic@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago

The question/problemmatic part about current stuff is who decides what counts as "current mythology". Even scientific doctrine is disproven (cause that's the best part about science).

Now, I totally see Historical mythology being a great class.

[-] cedarmesa@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I mean, dude comes back from the dead, dude lives in the belly of whale, snakes talk, all animals on earth on a boat........Do we really need laboratories and Phd's to pore over these matters to call them mythology? I think science has more pressing matters to deal with rather than debunk fairytales. No?

[-] possum@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago

Nothing against the meme, but boy do I hate wojacks. They're aesthetically unpleasing and something about them makes them obviously 4chan

[-] norawibb@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago

I like them because they have a consistent style and can represent so many types of people (strawmen)

[-] BigBootyBoy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago

For me it's those stupid ass expressions

[-] gabuwu@beehaw.org 23 points 2 years ago

It feels quite strange reading this as a Jewish person.

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[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This post is arguing that we should not allow people to fucking quote: "freely worship their god" to prevent being sent to an internment camp, and you incels are eating it up.

[-] sergio 17 points 2 years ago

how does this have anything to do with incels?

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

brah don't you know, it's not hateful if it is a joke and i was only joking brah

braaaaah it's just a joke and jokes doesn't mean anything lighten up braaaaaah

[-] airportline@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Is it? I mean it clearly references it, but unless I'm not getting something, that's a hateful meme slurring transgenderism, and this is a hateful meme slurring religion. If either of them are intended ironically, they're cutting pretty damn close to the Poe line. I'm not seeing any parody.

[-] Smk@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 years ago

As far as I'm concerned, it's pretty funny! I understand some people may take this seriously and that's sad.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago

I didn't say anything about whether or not it is funny. Do you have any comment on whether or not it is hateful?

[-] Smk@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago

Ok, it's not hateful unless you think it is.

To me, that's funny. I understand that some people can take this seriously and come to think that what the meme is saying is actually happening which may bring more harm than good.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's not hateful unless I think it is. What might you mean by that rhetorical gem. Are you trying to argue that there is no such thing as objective hate? That I can just choose not to find hate speech hateful, and that fixes everything?

[-] Smk@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago

For some people it's offensive, for others it's not. At this point, it is subjective. If everyone thinks it's offensive, then it is otherwise, it depends on each individual.

I don't think it's that controversial.

I'm not arguing anything, I'm talking about that specific meme, not about hate speech in general. I'm not sure what you are trying to say either :/

What I'm saying is that there is a fine line between funny and hateful. For some people this kind of meme is funny, for others, it's hateful.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago
[-] Smk@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago

Agree to disagree then.

[-] toomanyjoints69@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago

There is a stick in your ass and you should pull it out.

[-] notacat@lemmy.fmhy.ml 19 points 2 years ago

All that’s missing is the “You are here” pointer at the second to last step.

[-] FabledAepitaph@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago

Yeah, it's ridiculous. American politicians literally swear on the bible as they assume office and then quote bible verses on the job and then they expect us to believe we're anywhere other than at that second from last step?

[-] CIWS-30@kbin.social 17 points 2 years ago

When step 2 intersects with capitalism, all the other stuff just naturally follows. Sure there are people who legitimately want to help people (read an article about 2 Christians giving up their high paying jobs to spend their time making affordable housing for the poor and indigenous people) but they're increasingly becoming the minority.

That said, money based religions are only one oppressive group that bands together for profit and control. Religions aren't much different than political parties (hence the smashup between many) and corporations, organized crime, etc.

Human nature, rather than being inherently good, tends to be inherently bad. Hence why most giant groups tend to be oppressive by nature. It's why I believe that there shouldn't be giant concentrations of wealth and power.

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[-] help@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago

This, but unironically

[-] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 14 points 2 years ago

I was taught about Islam in social studies, and I don't remember anybody trying to force me to obey Islamic law at any point.

I don't know whether there is a slippery slope, but I do know this isn't an accurate description of it.

[-] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 23 points 2 years ago

Person: here is generally how this thing has gone throughout history

You: my individual experience doesn't match this, therefore you are completely wrong

Come on, dude, read a book.

[-] lupuspernox@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago

He never said that they were "completely wrong". Just casting doubt/sharing thoughts. Regardless, freedom of/from religion has only gotten better in the west for the last few hundred years. Please don't let a few crazies in the US determine your perspective on an entire religion.

[-] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

Throughout history, most people didn't go to school at all, let alone get taught about other religions (other than “if anyone claims to believe this, kill them”).

[-] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago

There are some states passing laws mandating "in god we trust" be placed somewhere prominent in the school. There's an argument to be made that by doing this, the states are mandating that education systems must promote the the idea of the Bible and it's claims being true.

[-] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago

That goes a tad beyond merely teaching kids about religions.

[-] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago

that'sthepoint.jpg

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago

This post is talking about the dominant religion in countries where the dominant religion is far too dominant.

Of course you can study other religions from time to time, because that doesn't disrupt the dominant one. In fact, depending on how closely religion and patriotism are linked in a given place sometimes other religions can be used as a way to dismiss the relevance or importance of life in other countries.

[-] Hive68@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 years ago

Karl Marx The German Ideology Preface

Hitherto have constantly made up for themselves false conceptions about themselves, about what they are and what they ought to be. They have arranged their relationships according to their ideas of God, of normal man, etc. The phantoms of their brains have got out of their hands. They, the creators, have bowed down before their creations. Let us liberate them from the chimeras, the ideas, dogmas, imaginary beings under the yoke of which they are pining away. Let us revolt against the rule of thoughts. Let us teach men, says one, to exchange these imaginations for thoughts which correspond to the essence of man; says the second, to take up a critical attitude to them; says the third, to knock them out of their heads; and -- existing reality will collapse.

I will never not quote this when people moan about antitheism

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