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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by ZeroCool@feddit.ch to c/technology@lemmy.world

By now, you may have heard about Elon Musk's handpicked CEO for X, Linda Yaccarino, and her disastrous interview with CNBC's Julia Boorstin at Vox Media's Code 2023 event. However, somewhat overlooked amid some of the more viral moments of the discussion, Yaccarino dropped some previously unknown stats that don't exactly paint such a rosy picture for the company:

X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, is losing daily active users under the leadership of Elon Musk.

Speaking at Vox Media's Code 2023 tech conference earlier this week, X CEO Linda Yaccarino shared that the company currently has 225 million daily active users – a decline in tens of millions or 11.6 percent of users from just before Musk acquired the company.

According to a series of tweets that Musk himself posted in November of last year, Twitter had 254.5 million daily active users the week before his takeover in late November of last year.

Following the conference, X revised its daily active user count to 245 million daily active users, according to The Information. Before specifically saying X had 225 million active users, Yaccarinno previously cited "200 to 250 million" daily active users earlier in the interview.

However, even X's revised number of 245 million daily active users would still see X lose millions or around 3.7 percent of daily active users from before Musk's acquisition.

In fact, daily active users are even down from the numbers that Musk shared last year when he was in charge. According to the aforementioned Musk tweet, Twitter had 259.4 million daily active users in mid-November 2022. Compared to the daily active users Twitter was pulling late last year under Musk's leadership, X has shed nearly 15 million users – a drop of roughly 5.6 percent.

Twitter first started sharing this metric, which the company refers to as monetizable daily active users or mDAU, years before Musk even planned to buy the company. The reason? Twitter's daily active user numbers were reliably more favorable for the company than its other metrics when it shared its quarterly reports for investors and shareholders.

When Yaccarino was first asked about user metrics during the interview, she seemingly wanted to move away from that particular conversation, saying that X had between 200 and 250 daily active users. She then moved the discussion to the platform's Communities feature, the company's answer to Facebook Groups, saying X had 50,000 communities and that engagement numbers and time spent in those communities were up since June.

Along with the daily active user metrics, Yaccarino also shared that X now has a record 550 million monthly active users. This would be up from the 541 million "monthly users" metric that Musk shared in a post in July.

It's unclear, however, just how much of the monthly active user growth has happened under Musk when compared to how the company was doing prior to his takeover. That's because in 2019, Twitter stopped reporting this number in favor of the daily active user metric. The company entered that year with 321 million monthly active users, the last publicly reported monthly active user metric directly from Twitter.

It should be noted that Musk has shifted away from both the daily and monthly active user numbers in favor of "unregretted user minutes," a metric seemingly made-up by Musk.

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[-] drekly@lemmy.world 241 points 11 months ago

That's still a fuck ton of people using the platform. WHY

[-] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 60 points 11 months ago

I would also assume that many people are oblivious or just don't care about the happenings, just like on Reddit.

[-] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 11 months ago

Lots of them are reporters and politicians that know fully well where Elon Musk's road leads to. If I wasn't stuck in the same society as them, I would even find it amusing how happily they are dancing on the way to the gallows.

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[-] MysticKetchup@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago

Because there isn't an alternative with other people on it. Now that it's confirmed that it's actually declining, it'll start to snowball its way until we hit critical mass

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[-] jdf038@mander.xyz 15 points 11 months ago

Before I would say marketing, habits, and access to information.

Now that I can't see a tweet without being logged on (after I killed my account because apartheid andy?) Idfk

[-] luciferofastora@lemmy.zip 13 points 11 months ago

Because all the other people they care about are on there too. And they won't leave because all the other people they care about are on there too. And theh...

It's a form of interdependence, in a way. Those who rely on Ex-Twitter as a platform to broadcast their microblogs (be that a tech service proviser using it to report on ongoing system outages, a content creator promoting some new content or a news outlet, well, announcing news) are reluctant to migrate while their audience is still there. The audience, in turn, is gonna be relauctant to move away from the platform their service providers, news outlets and content creators use.

The more people make that leap, the stronger the encouragement will be for the rest to leap as well, but the other issue is "where to?" There are multiple competitors, and particularly between BlueSky and Mastodon, the decision apparently isn't as straightforward as it may seem for those of us that are already entrenched in the fediverse. I'd like to believe Mastodon wins out in the end, but it's not so clear cut for some of the people I talked to.

Plenty of people want to leave, but between the things holding them back and the daunting question of "where to?", they're afraid to. As things start to shift, competitors emerge and trends become visible, more and more may decide to finally jump ship, but that's going to take time.

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[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 103 points 11 months ago

That’s still stunningly more people still using it than they deserve. I guess it’s hard to create new social networks.

[-] dinckelman@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

A lot of people I talk to just don't care about social media anymore. Either deleted/deactivated profiles, or just stopped being there. It's all either corporate bs, fake engagement, ragebait, or you're psychologically manipulated into scrolling through content you don't even enjoy

[-] Coach@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Isn't this assuming "active daily users" equate to people? Wouldn't it stand to reason that "active daily users" are simply bots Musk has allowed to proliferate throughout the platform?

[-] stonedonkey@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

It's not .. people think it is.. but i left Facebook, insta, Twitter and etc and I still talk to friends.. I still talk to family...

I don't get in pointless arguments or support racists and facists.

All and all it's win win.

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[-] harry315@feddit.de 77 points 11 months ago

What I find most interesting, though, is that there were only 250 Million daily active users in the first place. Musk paid like 176 bucks per user. There's no way he could've milked that much revenue out of the users in any reasonable time frame.

Sure, there's weekly and monthly active users, but how many ads can you possibly show someone who spends 5 minutes per week on formerly-known-as-Twitter?

[-] Takios@feddit.de 42 points 11 months ago

Looking at his recent posts it looks like he didn't buy it to make money but to increase his influence. Just recently he promoted a post that calls to vote for the farright party in Germany for example.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

That was the one bonus to him. He bought it because he made a stupid 420 joke that had legal ramifications (and not for the first time). He tried to back out of buying it but it was too late.

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[-] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 11 months ago

Oh I don't know... twitter was probably seen as good tool for more pump & dump and other financial scams, not to mention the opportunity to influence worldwide politics.

Then there's the wish to turn it into an everything app with micro transactions at every step of the way. Such a beast wouldn't get far in the EU, and probably not the US either.

[-] xantoxis@lemmy.one 65 points 11 months ago

What the fuck are "unregretted user minutes"? I regret every minute any user spends on that site, so it should be zero.

[-] affiliate@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago

since it’s elon, i wouldn’t be surprised if it was how much time people spend reading his tweets

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[-] whitecapstromgard@sh.itjust.works 60 points 11 months ago

It suprises me that people still use Twitter. Like, how spineless are you?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 56 points 11 months ago

Especially journalists. Why are you using a platform that is actively hostile to you?

[-] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 26 points 11 months ago

Exposure. Present day journalism lives and dies by exposure. If you're not willing to prostitute yourself for exposure, you have no chance

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Yeah, but exposure to who, Nazis?

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[-] AnAngryAlpaca@feddit.de 16 points 11 months ago

Because the people or companies they report on still use the platform :(

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[-] falkerie71@sh.itjust.works 19 points 11 months ago

Can't speak for other people, but I use Twitter and Reddit for different reasons. I use Reddit for communities I have an interest in, so when the move to Lemmy/kbin started, it wasn't that hard for me to migrate over. For Twitter though, I use it to follow specific people and/or company news, so unless they decide to migrate to Mastodon or other platforms, Twitter will still be a site I visit.

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[-] RalphFurley@lemmy.world 52 points 11 months ago

Elon Musk could not wake up tomorrow and the world would be much better off.

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[-] obinice@lemmy.world 40 points 11 months ago

Considering it's a Fascist platform now, it would be alarming if it weren't losing users.

Especially given that it used to have billions of users, back when it wasn't Fascist.

[-] LoyalOrange503@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago

Thanks, you just reminded me to delete my account

[-] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 33 points 11 months ago

I'm sure the users will come back once Must starts charging a monthly fee for using TwitteX.

[-] ProfessorPuzzleCode@lemmy.world 33 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

That's very disappointing. So at least 90% of people are still on there, if not 95% or even 98% still there. That's barely more than a rounding error. Fuck, that is disappointing.

[-] jamisonnbishop@midwest.social 14 points 11 months ago

Government, corporate, and celebrities haven't budged. That's the problem. I left about 2 weeks after the blue checks started getting pushed to the top of comments. Those blue-checklefucks are trash.

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[-] Hackerman_uwu@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

For those unfamiliar with website/app analytics: a hugely successful, modern advanced analytics campaign (say AI or Machine Learning based) might move the needle on a a key KPI for a huge business like Twitter to the tune of say 3%-5%.

Over 11% would be huge numbers for a highly advanced, highly focused team to achieve in terms of measurable impact on a higher platform like that.

This moral imperative humping dolt achieved that number in negative effects to his company without even trying.

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[-] Caravaggio@feddit.nl 26 points 11 months ago

I wouldn't be surprised if she'd just pulled that 225M out of her ass to not look completely clueless, as it's right in the middle of the ballpark 200-250M she mumbled about earlier.

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[-] qwertyWarlord@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

~10% is absolutely nothing in the big picture. I'm much more interested in seeing who stays around when the platform starts charging a subscription

[-] irotsoma@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

I don't trust the numbers anyway. And although Musk pretended to be angry about bots inflating the user stats to try to get out of buying the company after the gag got real, he hasn't exactly discouraged bots from inflating the numbers now.

[-] 0110010001100010@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago
[-] bappity@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

a shameful slow death

[-] betabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 11 months ago

I never used Twitter actively but used it for announcements and live events happening. Now when I go to a page for updates it shows me (maybe?) the most active tweets from the past. For example, I'll check the MLS page for game delays, the MLS page will have the post of a delay on their site, but if I go to the MLS Twitter it just shows posts from years ago about some goal that is so irrelevant for what I am looking for. I could list many other examples of how useless it has become...

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 15 points 11 months ago

Indeed. I used Twitter to get on-the-ground reporting for incidents important to me. Since they moved to requiring being signed in to search hashtags, I’ve switched to other, less timely sources instead. It’s a shame, because you can’t use X for what Twitter was originally designed to provide.

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[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 19 points 11 months ago

I'm going to pretend I'm surprised.

Seriously though, what was the rational for the name change

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 15 points 11 months ago

Sunk cost fallacy. Musk has wanted to create an "internet bank" named "X" since working on PayPal. His partners never let him name it "X" (probably because it's an objectively bad name) so ever since then he has wanted to make "X" a reality.

I think he was planning on quickly rolling crypto out to every account to make some weird monetization scheme where he doesn't actually have to pay anyone, but then by the time the purchase was finalized the crypto market went bust and a lot of people have lost interest.

I still think he has plans to do weird stuff with monetization (based off previous remarks he has made), but we will see if it ever ends up implemented.

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[-] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 15 points 11 months ago

What is the rational for anything since the muskrat moved in.

[-] bemenaker@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

but not the bots..... lol

honestly i have no idea, but that will be musks excuse, it's all the bots leaving.

[-] DJDarren@thelemmy.club 18 points 11 months ago

I jumped over to Mastodon back in November, dual wielded for a couple of months until Tweetbot got shut down, then went 100% Mastodon. But every now and then I'll log back in to Twitter and lurk to see what my old follows are up to.

And it's kinda sad, seeing them mostly just dunking on Musk and his 'policies', rather than just fucking it off altogether. Back in February I was missing following the people I'd been interacting with for over ten years, but now I don't think I'd follow some of them even if they came over.

Haven't logged in for a few weeks now. I don't really see the point any more.

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[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 14 points 11 months ago

You mean welcoming pedo-nazis to leave harassing messages on every single post they interact with drives people away? Shock! Intrigue!

[-] LavaPlanet@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Personally I think this is all part of his evil villain master plan.

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