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Do we really need West and South when we can use negative North and negative East?

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[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 11 points 2 days ago

So you'd have states like North Dakota and Negative North Dakota?

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago

The Negative shall rise again!

[-] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 days ago

Why do we have subtraction when we can just add a negative number?

[-] calamityjanitor@lemmy.world 109 points 3 days ago

I think the idea of directions came before the idea of negative.

[-] warbond@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

Walking backward is just walking negatively forward by another name

[-] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 44 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Why do we have 2 separate words for good and bad? Good and ungood are totally sufficient.

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[-] dbx12@programming.dev 24 points 3 days ago

Spin it further and get rid of "great" and "outstanding". I suggest using plus good and double plus good.

[-] Infrapink@thebrainbin.org 6 points 3 days ago

That's actually how it works in Irish. The word for good is deas, while the word for bad is deas prefixed with the negating particle , so mídheas.

(There are still separate words for tge cardinal directions).

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[-] droning_in_my_ears@lemmy.world 33 points 3 days ago

Why do we have 26 letters? Why not just communicate in binary!

01010100 01101000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01110110 01100101 01110010 01111001 00100000 01101110 01100001 01110100 01110101 01110010 01100001 01101100 00100001

[-] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

On the other hand, 8000+ characters seems kinda fun...

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[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

oh you salty dog you

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

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[-] EndOfLine@lemmy.world 52 points 3 days ago

Just guessing here, but I would think it's for for clarity and brevity. West and South are shorter to say and distinct enough to avoid being easily misheard causing somebody to go in the opposite direction than intended.

[-] markz@suppo.fi 46 points 3 days ago
[-] colourlesspony@pawb.social 20 points 3 days ago

Exactly, we don't need to be right at all.

[-] 667@lemmy.radio 15 points 3 days ago

Clockwise and anticounterclockwise

[-] Hackworth@piefed.ca 13 points 3 days ago

Double plus ungood

[-] Tujio@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

I dunno. That seems double plus ungood to me.

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[-] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I would not be surprised compasses were invented before negative numbers

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negative numbers : 200 BCE
compasses : as early as 202 BCE

(these are just from a cursory search, I am not a specialist)

[-] EponymousBosh@awful.systems 10 points 3 days ago

This is just the Minecraft coordinates system and it sucks. "OK I'm at the coords, where's the--oh fuck, it was -3002, 108 not 3002, 108."

[-] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Why stop at two, when you could stop at just one?

North

Negative North = south

Negative 90 North = west

90 North =east

[-] sznowicki@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago

Better idea! What if we use 0 for North and then divide the circle around by exactly 360 points? That way we don't need NSEW, we have 0, 90, 180, 270!

[-] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Ah... I love airplanes... To be clear, the issue with this is that magnetic 0 is not the same as true 0. There's a slight offset that can cause issues. So why not have like... True 0 and magnetic 0. T0 and m0?

[-] chillpanzee@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 days ago

Fun fact... there is an ICAO effort to "get rid" of magnetic headings for runway numbers. I listened to a presentation they did last year, and as much as I went into it thinking it wasn't needed, I was a convert listening to them.

Btw, magnetic variation is pretty significant in some places. It's 13 degrees where I am.

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[-] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

We could use one, and assume we’re operating in the field of complex numbers:

1 N = North
i N = West
i^2^ N = South
i^3^ N = East.

And we could use the complex modulus to indicate distance or speed... or we could map the Riemann sphere onto the surface of the earth and use a single complex number to indicate location.

[-] Trigger2_2000@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Now you're talking!

[-] Agility0971@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Directions from maps: turn pi at the nearest i intersection

[-] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Why stop at one when you could stop at just zero and not use a compass?

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[-] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 days ago

If the four cardinal points bother you, better not look up wind roses or rhumbline networks...

A rather simple one.

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[-] _NetNomad@fedia.io 22 points 3 days ago
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[-] mech@feddit.org 12 points 3 days ago

"negative Eastern countries" has a nice ring to it.

[-] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 12 points 3 days ago

How would that be any easier?

[-] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 13 points 3 days ago

And I say we don't have enough names, we should have names for at least 30° and 45° increments.

[-] 4am@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 days ago

We do, they’re just combinations of the 90 degree ones.

Southwest. North-Northeast.

[-] Theatomictruth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 days ago

Yeah, there are 32 named points on a compass, one every 11.25 degrees, you can even fractionalize it to get even more granular

Southwest by west half west for example is 242 degrees

[-] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Most Mediterranean cultures used to have names for at least eight winds, each at 45 degrees from each other. Greeks (and therefore Romans) used twelve, at 30 degrees.

Here's a classic navigator's wind rose, for instance, with 32 different directions based on eight named winds (might be a bit hard to read on dark backgrounds, here's the original SVG):

[-] Veedem@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

What goes up, must come negative-Up

[-] whaleross@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

One step forward and two steps un-forward.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 days ago

Better question is why don’t they have 8? I hate saying “north by north east”.

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[-] fizzle@quokk.au 6 points 3 days ago

For most of human history people who couldn't do math, or read, or understand a map, have been communicating directions to each other.

4 directions is just enough to tell someone which way to face, without being too many to remember.

[-] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago

without being too many to remember

People used to have no problem remembering the names of at least eight winds, depending on the direction...

Here are the ones used in Catalonia, for instance; we were taught them at school:

Though, to be fair, llevant means where the sun rises and ponent where it sets, migjorn means midday, which makes sense given the other two, and everyone already knew tramuntana, cause it's a headache when it blows, so it's mostly the other four we have to remember... the Greek one seems quite harder, though, then again, I'm not Greek..:

[-] fizzle@quokk.au 1 points 2 days ago

Sure, but 4 is easier to remember?

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[-] Hoohoo@fedia.io 8 points 3 days ago

This is basic coordinate usage. Negative latitudes are South. And 180 or -180 is half a planet away from the prime meridien. West of England are negative longitudes.

[-] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 6 points 3 days ago

Do we really need West and South when we can use negative North and negative East?

Yes of course.

Otherwise I couldn't say anymore: "I am looking North and my butt is looking South".

And how would you even pronounce south-Southwest then? Impossible unless you are quite drunk!

/s

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[-] MotoAsh@piefed.social 7 points 3 days ago

In addition to what others have already said, it'd be really silly to make one a negative of the other in the most basic sense, too.

There have been so many issues with electrons having a "negative" charge, and that's a binary situation! It would be so much worse to introduce implied favoritism with basic directions.

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