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In a rare instance of bipartisan alarm, Republican-chaired committees in the House and Senate announced that they have launched inquiries into an explosive Washington Post report alleging Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth had given a spoken order to “kill everybody” aboard a vessel carrying suspected drug traffickers in the Caribbean. The occupants included two people who had survived an initial missile strike on the vessel and were seen “clinging” to the wreckage.

“We take seriously the reports of follow-on strikes on boats alleged to be ferrying narcotics in the SOUTHCOM region and are taking bipartisan action to gather a full accounting of the operation in question,” the leaders of the House Armed Services Committee said in a joint statement on Friday.

“The Committee has directed inquiries to the [Department of Defense], and we will be conducting vigorous oversight to determine the facts related to these circumstances,” leaders in the Senate Armed Services Committee said.

The September 2 attack kicked off what has now been nearly two dozen attacks, killing at least 83 people, who the US military claims, without evidence, had been attempting to smuggle drugs into the US. The attacks, which President Trump justifies as a part of an “armed conflict” with drug cartels, have been likened to extrajudicial killings.

Democratic Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona told CNN on Sunday that Hegseth’s actions, as reported by the Post, appear to be a war crime.

“If what has been reported is accurate, I’ve got serious concerns about anybody in that chain of command stepping over a line that they should never step over,” Kelly said. “We are not Russia. We are not Iraq. We hold ourselves to a very high standard of professionalism.”

Kelly is locked in a related battle of words with Hegseth after Kelly participated in a social media video with five other Democrats seeking to remind members of the military that they can “refuse illegal orders.”

Hegseth has blasted the *Post’*s reporting on the missile strikes as “fabricated.”

“As usual, the fake news is delivering more fabricated, inflammatory, and derogatory reporting to discredit our incredible warriors fighting to protect the homeland,” he wrote on X.

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[-] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago

Ah yes, ye olde "I'm not responsible for those under me" excuse that SECRETARY OF ~~DEFENSE~~ WAR CRIMES Rumsfeld wheeled out after the whole Abu Ghraib thing. It worked then. It'll work this time, too.

[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

And I just want to point out that the military followed this, clearly illegal, order without hesitation...

Muricans, the military is not going to save you from the horrendous mistake you made by empowering the idiot king and his jesters

[-] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

They'll be taking the fall right alongside.

[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

America has a long long history of war crimes… I hope I'm wrong but I doubt much will come from this other than someone losing a job just to get a better one in a hush deal

[-] artyom@piefed.social 28 points 2 days ago

Hey guys, guess what? I'm from the future. Here's what happened: They launched an investigation, found out he did exactly that and then...nothing fucking happened. You're welcome.

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

So Trump is not in jail? Supposed to happen in 2015!

[-] Mastengwe@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 days ago

There is a reason he wants everyone on those boats dead. No survivors means no one to refute the claim that they weren’t just fishermen, but drug runners.

There no other logical reason to “blow apart” people clinging to debris after being hit by a rocket.

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I was just thinking they could be testing the waters on this whole illegal order thing.

If they can get away with this, it dampens the whole don't follow illegal order stuff going on.

Edit: Like if nobody involved in that chain of command, gets punished, then the whole don't follow illegal orders becomes more moot. They have to hold someone accountable to show it's true, and they likely won't do that, and if they can't punish something like this, what's going to happen to that kid who refuses an order to shoot at a crowd of protesters who are ANTIFA terrorists. This was people clinging onto a wreckage to stay alive.

[-] facelessbs@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Ryan Mcbeth( guy on YouTube that does military work) did a break down of what is a war crime, legal, and illegal. https://youtu.be/ZFjHzuH7CyI It is worth a watch to it is informative.

[-] Fourth@mander.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

That's a pretty fair take from him. Just remember he's a Newsmax guy.

[-] facelessbs@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

I am aware but he doesn’t seem to really go hard on/against one side politically. But just like everyone/thing there is always a bias.

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 23 hours ago

Just remember he’s a Newsmax guy.

News Axe guy.

[-] Mastengwe@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

By chance is he on any other platform? I try and avoid YouTube like it’s a disease.

[-] facelessbs@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

He has a sub stack but I don’t know exactly what that is exactly

[-] jacksilver@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

I feel like I'm missing something, but why is saying "kill everybody" crossing a line for the Republicans? When you shoot missiles at a boat it kinda feels like you're already trying to kill everyone?

[-] Djehngo@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Because the implication of "kill everybody" is that surrender will be refused, and issuing such a "no quarter" order is a war crime.

This is shortly after Hegseth fired a few judge advocate generals (military lawyers ish) since he viewed them as potential "roadblocks to orders that are given by a commander-in-chief."

[-] jacksilver@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

That's kinda my point though, to me both those incidents are small potatoes in comparison to bombing random boats in international water.

Why do those small new details make the Republicans concerned when they were okay with bombing/killing random people (which I'm pretty sure is already a war crime)?

[-] Djehngo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Because there is a fig leaf of legality over the bombing.

The excuse they run is that they have designated the cartel as a terrorist organisation (this stretches the definition of terrorism past breaking point), they have asserted that the boats are operated by the cartel (this is heavily disputed) and they suggest that terrorists "attacking" the US by importing drugs are enemy combatants and legitimate military targets.

All of this is insane, but republicans have been going along with it with varying levels of enthusiasm.

The problem here is that even if you buy the justification that marks the occupants or the boats as enemy combatants, that still doesn't legally permit war crimes.

The republicans in question agree with the method to paint them as enemy combatants, but don't agree that war crimes are acceptable against enemy combatants.

[-] jacksilver@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Thanks, I appreciate the info/perspective.

Based on that reasoning it sounds like Republicans are okay with "accidentally" committing a war crime, but if done flagrantly then they have a problem.

[-] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Everybody is a set of people that includes themselves.

[-] sarcasticsunrise@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

"We are not Russia. We are not Israel"

There. FIFY, coward

[-] bilb@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

In truth, we are no better than either. Not one iota.

[-] jontree255@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

Put this motherfucker in prison.

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Yeah...sure. right beside Bush.

[-] ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

And nothing will come of it just like the Epstein files.

[-] limonfiesta@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

When I heard they were putting an alcoholic rapist in charge of the DoD, I was really hoping for more Kash Money shenanigans, and less war crimey shenanigans.

[-] Tronn4@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

"We've investigated ourselves and found no wrong doing" -future headline

[-] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

But he seemed so qualified, Fox News barker and all. /s

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