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So like does the user not think Russia is imperialistic? Why talk shit about the US Empire but eat up Russian Empire shit? Obligatory anarchist "states bad"
The ML definition of "imperialism" is "an advanced form of capitalism". It conviently excludes anything Russia has ever done. It also excludes the British East India Company, but they don't think about that.
Edit: if any of you tankies want to post that I'm making shit up again, then you ought to read more from Uncle Joe Steel. Not my fault his shitty propaganda made a huge definitional blunder.
I think if a definition of imperialism excludes the EAST INDIA COMPANY, something is fucked up
I mean, the East India Company was literally a company. It was capitalist as fuck.
Yes but it was early capitalist not advanced capitalist.
Me whenever I run across these self proclaimed “anti-imperialist” tankies
Some seem to not be able to hold the idea that two things can be wrong at the same time. Others see Russia or China as lesser evils. Obviously those have their own "Monroe Doctrine" but nevertheless. Not my opinion, just elaborating on the why from my interactions in .ml.
As a Canadian teacher, I've met so many Ukrainian refugee families and seen the result of the trauma caused by the Russian invasion first hand. Knowing that these fascist loving tankies are out here spreading such abhorrent lies and propaganda fills me with an overwhelming sense of hatred on behalf of the children that I watch struggle every day to find some feeling of safety, and believe that this is now their home.
I will take a dig at these malicious fucks every single time I see them attempt to pulls their lies from the dredges of .ml and plaster them on any community that isn't in their sphere of influence. And I take great pleasure in watching Yog and his Ilk writhe every time they realize they can't just rule 1 me to make the truth stop flowing.
i hada ukrainian professor/instructor once and she was making distinction of her being seperate from russians, when someone was being ignorant and calling russian and ukrainian people as the same.(this was in '08)
Russia sounds a lot like the Nazis in 1939 to me. You know "freeing" the Czech people
Or like the ones sending tanks to Hungary... oh wait
current russia uses actual neonazi when they were employing wagner, and likely have some in thier midst.
Absolutely. Whether or not Ukraine was showing "proper" respect for ethnicly Russian Ukrainians. Putin's response was wrong. If he was concerned for them he would have offered to resettle them in Russia. Truth is Putin cares so much for them, he'd put a bullet in each one of their brains personally. It was always about the land and warm water ports in Crimea and the donbas.
As a Hungarian with relatives near Uzhhorod and Mukachevo, I can tell you that Ukraine's treatment of minority citizens has been abysmal ever since the breakup of the USSR (there were problems there during the USSR as well, of course).
However this does not give Putin, or any other neighbouring country, the right to invade and all willy-nilly demand territories from Ukraine.
With that said, the whole mistreatment of Russian nationals/ethnics was way overblown by the Russian media, and is nothing more than a very, very unstable casus belli...
I mean Russia isn't famous for mistreating ethnic minorities. That would be hilarious.
Those are Asian and that's why no one cares.
However this does not give Putin, or any other neighbouring country, the right to invade and all willy-nilly demand territories from Ukraine.
Almost as if it is possible for two bad things to be happening at once at the same time, without it meaning that one of them is actually a good thing now.
I'm reminded of the run-up to the 2nd Iraq War, near enough to the dawn of the mainstream internet that there was one Iraqi blogger who was well-known in the West. He was kind of a minor celebrity and people read him attentively to figure out what the reality was like for people in Iraq, up to and including the beginning of the war. One thing that he said that always stuck with me was, more or less: Yes, things are bad here. Some of the things the US is saying are true. But it is INSANE to think that anyone here wants the US to invade to "save" us from any of it, or that there's any chance that it will make anything any better. It will make things ten times worse. It's insane to me that people who are supposed to be qualified at world events are saying that the US is trying to "help," or that anyone wants this or will "welcome as liberators" the people coming to bomb our cities and make our government even worse.
Agreed. Sadly there is little more human than to discriminate and have prejudice against those different from you. Especially when the relationship was previously reversed as it was.
But as you said, it was always a flimsy false pretense.
crimea had alot of natural resources, mostly oil/gas near the shore thats why they invaded, putin saw the projections of thier future economy resources/ dwindling.
there's lots of mineral and other valuable stuff in the donbas they're trying to keep.
Slava Ukraine, Fuck Russia
In fairness, it has negative thirty votes, and the top comments are all people shitting on the OP.
On the other hand, there's this which can fuck all the way off. I also like Yogthos's assumption that people in Ukraine don't realize that the West doesn't care about them dying all that much, like it's escaped their notice so far, and they'll be big mad once they finally figure it out for the first time, because just like him they're just kind of bebopping around saying stuff, not really thinking about or aware of these issues.
Read writing from people in Ukraine. They're well aware.
We aren't fucking fighting for the sake of the West. We're fighting because the moment we stop, we will be eradicated. Not like this is the first attempt by the russian empire (name on the label may change)
I'm not eager for European and possibly Canadian troops to die, but if there was ever a time to go to war for a just cause, this is it.
Fuck America, Fuck Russia, fascism will not win this war.
This is wacky on so many levels
I remember argueing with them over Ukraine and they called me Ernst Rohm lmao. Such deeply unserious people
Wow. That's wild even by the lofty standards of our exalted friends over on .ml.
That you need to protest an instance is the defining characteristic that shows a problem with the federated system.
Enjoy your protest, I'll just block .ml of it bothers me that much... Like a federated system should do
No matter which side you are on, you should know that this "peace plan" will never get ratified. Most agree that it is so poorly written that it will require endless interpretation and negotiation.
quite sure that everything that that user and its alt accounts posts is bait...they probably compiling a list of people who are agreeing in the comments or something because this is even to flat and to stupid to be real propaganda
It would be a pretty hilarious plot twist if true lol, sadly I don't have much faith in that. If you go to other Tankie places, it's pretty in line with what gets posted there. Even dessalines has been known to post a meme in the same vain (they even posted a NK praise meme couple months back, iirc it was one of those "apology form" meme templates)
"Oh, this is calamity! Calamity! Oh no, he's on the floor!"
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