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[-] Regna@lemmy.world 299 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

At first I thought ”Well, duh!”, but the manufacturer having a remote kill switch when he network blocked his vacuum from sharing his home map data with them, as well as unprotected root access when connecting to the vacuum… urgh.

The engineer says he stopped the device from broadcasting data, though kept the other network traffic — like firmware updates — running like usual. The vacuum kept cleaning for a few days after, until early one morning when it refused to boot up.

After reverse engineering the vacuum, a painstaking process which included reprinting the devices’ circuit boards and testing its sensors, he found something horrifying: Android Debug Bridge, a program for installing and debugging apps on devices, was “wide open” to the world. “In seconds, I had full root access. No hacks, no exploits. Just plug and play,” Narayanan said.

[-] justsomeguy@lemmy.world 156 points 1 week ago

All crappy IoT devices ever made. They aren't used in bot nets all the time because hackers like the challenge of hacking them so much. Security simply isn't a priority.

[-] Xerxos@lemmy.ml 196 points 1 week ago

The 'S' on IoT stands for security!

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[-] pipe01@programming.dev 63 points 1 week ago

Is it just me, or is having ADB exposed physically not that big a deal?

[-] KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world 110 points 1 week ago

Tend to agree, security is always the goal but if someone is in my house hacking my vacuum, I have bigger issues. The no-notice remote kill is the bigger issue to me.

[-] subignition@fedia.io 17 points 1 week ago

The much bigger concern is that the pathway used to send the remote kill command could very easily be utilized by nefarious actors.

[-] kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago

It is not good. But in most cases just adb doesnt grand root access. That's just bad.

[-] riskable@programming.dev 49 points 1 week ago

NO! It'syour device, you should have root! The fact that the manufacturer gives their product owners root is a good thing, not bad!

I will die on this fucking hill.

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[-] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 52 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

A few years ago I noticed an annoyance with a soundbar I had. After allowing it onto my WiFi network so we could stream music to it, it still broadcast the setup WiFi network.

While dorking around one day, I ran a port scan on my network and the soundbar reported port 22 (ssh) was open. I was able to log in as root and no password.
After a moment of “huh, that’s terrible security.” I connected to the (publicly open) setup network, ssh’d in, and copied the wpa_supplicant.conf file from the device to verify it had my WiFi info available to anyone with at least my mediocre skill level. I then factory reset the device, never to entrust it with any credentials again.

[-] billygoat@catata.fish 18 points 1 week ago

Name and shame, what make and model was it?

[-] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It was a TCL Alto 9+.

A quick internet search reveals that this issue was known about at least three years ago.

Another model, the 8i was reported to have a root password of “12345678” - which is partially how I got the idea to start seeing if I could gain root.

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[-] 87Six@lemmy.world 172 points 1 week ago

Since I dont see it mentioned, the company is

iLife

iLife makes vacuums that map your house and can be remote controlled

Just so we are clear. You should all up your name and shame game.

[-] eronth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 1 week ago

For real. It's wild how often people don't just straight up call out bad corps.

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[-] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

o7 thank you for your service

[-] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago

All modern robot vacuums do this. Amazon and Zillow actually buy that data too.

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[-] fistac0rpse@fedia.io 80 points 1 week ago

iLife A11 smart vacuum

[-] bytesonbike@discuss.online 80 points 1 week ago

In addition, Narayanan says he uncovered a suspicious line of code broadcasted from the company to the vacuum, timestamped to the exact moment it stopped working. “Someone — or something — had remotely issued a kill command,” he wrote.

“I reversed the script change and rebooted the device,” he wrote. “It came back to life instantly. They hadn’t merely incorporated a remote control feature. They had used it to permanently disable my device.”

In short, he said, the company that made the device had “the power to remotely disable devices, and used it against me for blocking their data collection… Whether it was intentional punishment or automated enforcement of ‘compliance,’ the result was the same: a consumer device had turned on its owner.”

They kill switched it remotely. Yikes.

[-] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago

All IoT devices do this to keep you from blocking their data collection. They won’t work reliably without a regular ping home. They lock up if they can’t phone home frequently enough.

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 62 points 1 week ago

Well, yes, that's what those cheap "smart" devices do. Or does anyone think cheap smart would fit into that device? Rule of thumb: if a device needs internet access, it is spying on you.

[-] Landless2029@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

!homeassistant@lemmy.world on a isolated vLAN is my goal for "Smart" devices.

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[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 60 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I read about iRobot gathering and selling info about apartments like 10 years ago. People still alarmed by this are simply ignorant.

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[-] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 56 points 1 week ago

I know very well why I installed valetudo before I even started my new vac for the first time 😁

https://valetudo.cloud/

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[-] andrew0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This article just screams rage-bait. Not that I am against making people aware of this kind of privacy invasion, but the authors did not bother to do any fact checking.

Firstly, they mention that the vacuum was "transmitting logs and telemetry that [the guy] had never consented to share". If you set up an app with the robot vacuum company, I'm pretty sure you'll get a rather long terms and services document that you just skip past, because who bothers reading that?

Secondly, the ADB part is rather weird. The person probably tried to install Valetudo on it? Otherwise, I have no clue what they tried to say with "reprinting the devices’ circuit boards". I doubt that this guy was able to reverse engineer an entire circuit board, but was surprised when seeing that ADB is enabled? This is what makes some devices rather straight forward to install custom firmware that block all the cloud shenanigans, so I'm not sure why they're painting this as a horrifying thing. Of course, you're broadcasting your map data to the manufacturer so that you can use their shitty app.

The part saying that it had full root access and a kill-switch is a bit worse, but still... It doesn't have to be like this. Shout-out to the people working on the Valetudo project. If you're interested in getting a privacy-friendly robot vacuum, have a look at their website. It requires some know-how, but once it's done, you know for sure you don't need to worry about a 3rd party spying on you.

[-] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 10 points 1 week ago

Just checked out Valetudo. Gotta love the FOSS community. Can I ask if you've used it? If so, which vacuum did you set it up on?

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[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago

At this point, if you buy a smart thing you have to know it's spyware.

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“Someone — or something — had remotely issued a kill command,” he wrote.

“I reversed the script change and rebooted the device,” he wrote. “It came back to life instantly. They hadn’t merely incorporated a remote control feature. They had used it to permanently disable my device.”

In short, he said, the company that made the device had “the power to remotely disable devices, and used it against me for blocking their data collection… Whether it was intentional punishment or automated enforcement of ‘compliance,’ the result was the same: a consumer device had turned on its owner.”

[-] buttnugget@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Treasonous malware.

[-] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 week ago

Am I too dumb to understand why sending cartographer data is wrong?

His model is iLife A11 that has Lidar. He probably has an app that is used to control robot and shows cleaning progression. Vac 100% Lidar'd his entire home and sent data to create map in the app.

How in the fuck he thinks it is getting that map? If his ass so smart to find a killswitch and reverse it, how come he doesn't grasp that map data is sent to a server though which he ca use vac app? Like in what world is it not obvious?

Not even gonna discuss about TOS he signed, or that it is general cheap brand cheap but super smart model for it's price.

Unless some FOSS firmware and software is installed, that thing most certainly will ping back home every chance it gets.

Sidenote: My TV now is offline cause when it kept calling home (ove 60% of my pi-holes querries of all time was TV), it would freeze due to pi-hole block. Once set offline - issue is gone. I also know my robo vac is pinging, but at the same time if I block it, I'll lose app controls which I wont do. Sadly, my vac doesn't support Valetudo.

[-] Reginald_T_Biter@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

I think yes, to your first question. Couldn't it just crunch the lidardata locally to feed into cartographer, I don't understand why you don't understand that this is the issue.

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[-] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

On paper all of this stuff is a great idea that would make our appliances more functional.

In reality, the best case scenario is that it’s sold to our corporate overlords so they can slap an ad on your refrigerator and sell you more plastic waste.

Worst case, it’s sold to ICE or some other fascist regime.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/10/ring-cameras-are-about-to-get-increasingly-chummy-with-law-enforcement/

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[-] Alenalda@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

Wait till you find out what your wifi can do.

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago

Port Scanning blocker was eye opening to how many websites just wanted to check in on me.

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[-] madjo@feddit.nl 24 points 1 week ago

That is why I have denied internet access for my robot vacuum cleaner. Xiaomi doesn't need to know the blueprint of my house, and if it can't connect to the internet, there's no need for firmware updates.

I'll start the thing by pressing the button at the top.

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[-] Boozilla@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Talkie Toaster is here. "Howdy-doodly-do, how's it going?"

[-] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

readies my fourteen-pound lump hammer

[-] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 2 points 5 days ago

"Never sit down to program without a crowbar close at hand." -Stanislaw Lem

[-] db2@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Does anyone want any toast?

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[-] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 week ago

I used to be on a mailing list where American companies offered money to people in the third world for menial manual tasks. Like sending pictures of random crap from different angles and such. One time I got an email offering 4 of these things and $100 and all I had to do was put one of them in my home and use it for a week and give the other 3 away. Goes without saying they're clearly a privacy nightmare.

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Sheeesh, his fucking mobile phone mapped and photographed his house long ago.

[-] DNS@discuss.online 17 points 1 week ago

These arricles are meant to be rage bait for the techno-illiterate. As you said, cell phones mapped your house long ago as well as your smart TV, or any appliance that requires an internet connection.

People traded in their privacy for convenience.

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[-] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 week ago

He’s going to have a heart attack to find out that the floor plan to most houses are available online and have been for a long time.

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[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 week ago

I don't care if they map my house, just give me raw access to the data. Them having access to the speaker and mic, i'm more concerned about.

[-] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

I remember about news of some Israeli intelligence operatives who jogged around their HQ only to be outed by their tracks on Strava.

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[-] dan69@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Shit I’m scared of my home speakers echo locating my furniture and the size of my domicile

[-] Widdershins@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

I live in a prefabricated home that is a different color than my neighbor's. Can I gift them one of these robots to get a blueprint of their house? It is already easily googled but I feel that making a robot do it keeps them lower on the food chain.

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