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[-] 87Six@lemmy.world 168 points 3 days ago

Since I dont see it mentioned, the company is

iLife

iLife makes vacuums that map your house and can be remote controlled

Just so we are clear. You should all up your name and shame game.

[-] eronth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 3 days ago

For real. It's wild how often people don't just straight up call out bad corps.

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[-] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

o7 thank you for your service

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[-] papertowels@mander.xyz 7 points 2 days ago

In case anyone's interested, there's actually open-source self-hosted robot vacuum firmware for select models

[-] jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

This is great, but outside the security aspects of things. What else can this firmware do that I can't with say, the roborock? Am I giving up functions?

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

I literally just installed this last weekend, so the docs are still pretty fresh in my mind. I still recommend you go read through that site to get the full picture and make your own informed decision, but here's my tl:dr.

Valetudo, first and foremost, is intended to enable select models of vacuum robots to operate cloud-free. It's not intended (nor is it feasible) to offer feature-parity with the manufacturers' firmware/apps/cloud services. But in my limited experience, the only feature my robot is missing after installing valetudo is the ability to live-stream video from the onboard camera, which isn't a big deal at all for me (and is something that the dev specifically won't support). Everything else works flawlessly so far. It also allows you to configure just about anything the robot supports configurability for, like pathing algorithm adjustments, obstacle avoidance sensitivity adjustments, and a whole host of other things. I'm not sure if the manufacturer's app even allows that level of configurability (because I never installed it), but I definitely feel like I have full control over my robot, and it functions flawlessly at performing its job of keeping my floors clean.

I think the biggest thing to be aware of is the rooting/installation process may require some soldering (not of the robot, just some through-hole soldering on a separate breakout board to make connecting to the robot's debug port more foolproof), and requires comfortability in a Linux terminal. If those things aren't in your wheelhouse, I'd say this project probably isn't for you.

[-] jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Thanks. That answers my question. I already blocked my vacuum from phoning home through my pfsense. So I am mostly there. Flashing seems like extra steps for the same results.

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah if your vacuum does enough for you with its Internet access restricted, then there's probably no good reason to install valetudo. I chose to install it on mine because 1. paranoia, 2. I don't have a good firewall solution set up yet, and 3. a lot of features on my vacuum are disabled if it can't phone home, but valetudo re-enables those features.

[-] papertowels@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

Unfortunately you'll have to do your own research, I only know this exists and have never used it because my vacuum is incompatible.

[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago

At this point, if you buy a smart thing you have to know it's spyware.

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[-] Alenalda@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

Wait till you find out what your wifi can do.

[-] Alenalda@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago
[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 days ago

Port Scanning blocker was eye opening to how many websites just wanted to check in on me.

[-] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 days ago

Oh, damn! Thanks for reminding me to add that extension since I reinstalled my browser.

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[-] Regna@lemmy.world 295 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

At first I thought ”Well, duh!”, but the manufacturer having a remote kill switch when he network blocked his vacuum from sharing his home map data with them, as well as unprotected root access when connecting to the vacuum… urgh.

The engineer says he stopped the device from broadcasting data, though kept the other network traffic — like firmware updates — running like usual. The vacuum kept cleaning for a few days after, until early one morning when it refused to boot up.

After reverse engineering the vacuum, a painstaking process which included reprinting the devices’ circuit boards and testing its sensors, he found something horrifying: Android Debug Bridge, a program for installing and debugging apps on devices, was “wide open” to the world. “In seconds, I had full root access. No hacks, no exploits. Just plug and play,” Narayanan said.

[-] justsomeguy@lemmy.world 155 points 3 days ago

All crappy IoT devices ever made. They aren't used in bot nets all the time because hackers like the challenge of hacking them so much. Security simply isn't a priority.

[-] Xerxos@lemmy.ml 194 points 3 days ago

The 'S' on IoT stands for security!

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[-] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 51 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

A few years ago I noticed an annoyance with a soundbar I had. After allowing it onto my WiFi network so we could stream music to it, it still broadcast the setup WiFi network.

While dorking around one day, I ran a port scan on my network and the soundbar reported port 22 (ssh) was open. I was able to log in as root and no password.
After a moment of “huh, that’s terrible security.” I connected to the (publicly open) setup network, ssh’d in, and copied the wpa_supplicant.conf file from the device to verify it had my WiFi info available to anyone with at least my mediocre skill level. I then factory reset the device, never to entrust it with any credentials again.

[-] billygoat@catata.fish 18 points 3 days ago

Name and shame, what make and model was it?

[-] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It was a TCL Alto 9+.

A quick internet search reveals that this issue was known about at least three years ago.

Another model, the 8i was reported to have a root password of “12345678” - which is partially how I got the idea to start seeing if I could gain root.

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[-] pipe01@programming.dev 63 points 3 days ago

Is it just me, or is having ADB exposed physically not that big a deal?

[-] KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world 109 points 3 days ago

Tend to agree, security is always the goal but if someone is in my house hacking my vacuum, I have bigger issues. The no-notice remote kill is the bigger issue to me.

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[-] bytesonbike@discuss.online 79 points 3 days ago

In addition, Narayanan says he uncovered a suspicious line of code broadcasted from the company to the vacuum, timestamped to the exact moment it stopped working. “Someone — or something — had remotely issued a kill command,” he wrote.

“I reversed the script change and rebooted the device,” he wrote. “It came back to life instantly. They hadn’t merely incorporated a remote control feature. They had used it to permanently disable my device.”

In short, he said, the company that made the device had “the power to remotely disable devices, and used it against me for blocking their data collection… Whether it was intentional punishment or automated enforcement of ‘compliance,’ the result was the same: a consumer device had turned on its owner.”

They kill switched it remotely. Yikes.

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[-] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 31 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

On paper all of this stuff is a great idea that would make our appliances more functional.

In reality, the best case scenario is that it’s sold to our corporate overlords so they can slap an ad on your refrigerator and sell you more plastic waste.

Worst case, it’s sold to ICE or some other fascist regime.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/10/ring-cameras-are-about-to-get-increasingly-chummy-with-law-enforcement/

[-] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Worst case, it’s sold to ICE or some other fascist regime.

Every single government that has a contract with Palantir for Gotham or even whatever the fuck they're doing with the UK NHS data, is reason enough to know this kind of shit is a bad idea. The entire existence of Palantir makes this kind of shit a bad idea by default.

Even if they're not using lavender or where's daddy (yet), I do not want them to have a detailed layout of my home, in addition to all the other information already being collected.

If the day comes when any government needs to crush civil unrest, Palantir gives them an easy button to weaponize your data against you.

“Someone — or something — had remotely issued a kill command,” he wrote.

“I reversed the script change and rebooted the device,” he wrote. “It came back to life instantly. They hadn’t merely incorporated a remote control feature. They had used it to permanently disable my device.”

In short, he said, the company that made the device had “the power to remotely disable devices, and used it against me for blocking their data collection… Whether it was intentional punishment or automated enforcement of ‘compliance,’ the result was the same: a consumer device had turned on its owner.”

[-] buttnugget@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Treasonous malware.

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago

If you have a robot vacuum, and the robot vacuum makes a persistent map (as opposed to the older "dumber" models that just bounce around randomly), they all send that map back to some remote server. In fact, most of those robots won't even enable the mapping feature unless they're connected to the Internet (which is absolute bullshit considering most of those robots generate, process, and store that map locally, so there's literally no reason to send it off somewhere).

So your options are to just use the robot without ever connecting it to the Internet and be happy with the reduced featureset, root the robot and install Valetudo on it, or just vacuum manually. But until manufacturers are forced to let us actually own the smart devices they sell is, under no circumstances should you ever let one touch the Internet.

[-] fistac0rpse@fedia.io 79 points 3 days ago

iLife A11 smart vacuum

[-] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

I remember about news of some Israeli intelligence operatives who jogged around their HQ only to be outed by their tracks on Strava.

[-] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 days ago

I remember army officers and cia folks, specifically. It wouldn't surprise me that israel got caught as well.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 61 points 3 days ago

Well, yes, that's what those cheap "smart" devices do. Or does anyone think cheap smart would fit into that device? Rule of thumb: if a device needs internet access, it is spying on you.

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[-] Nightsoul@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I mean, this has been known about for pretty much all smart vacuums.

But who the fuck is going to use the layout of your house for anything?

[-] n0respect@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

The secret police

[-] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 days ago

I used to be on a mailing list where American companies offered money to people in the third world for menial manual tasks. Like sending pictures of random crap from different angles and such. One time I got an email offering 4 of these things and $100 and all I had to do was put one of them in my home and use it for a week and give the other 3 away. Goes without saying they're clearly a privacy nightmare.

[-] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 56 points 3 days ago

I know very well why I installed valetudo before I even started my new vac for the first time 😁

https://valetudo.cloud/

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[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 60 points 3 days ago

Yeah, I read about iRobot gathering and selling info about apartments like 10 years ago. People still alarmed by this are simply ignorant.

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[-] andrew0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

This article just screams rage-bait. Not that I am against making people aware of this kind of privacy invasion, but the authors did not bother to do any fact checking.

Firstly, they mention that the vacuum was "transmitting logs and telemetry that [the guy] had never consented to share". If you set up an app with the robot vacuum company, I'm pretty sure you'll get a rather long terms and services document that you just skip past, because who bothers reading that?

Secondly, the ADB part is rather weird. The person probably tried to install Valetudo on it? Otherwise, I have no clue what they tried to say with "reprinting the devices’ circuit boards". I doubt that this guy was able to reverse engineer an entire circuit board, but was surprised when seeing that ADB is enabled? This is what makes some devices rather straight forward to install custom firmware that block all the cloud shenanigans, so I'm not sure why they're painting this as a horrifying thing. Of course, you're broadcasting your map data to the manufacturer so that you can use their shitty app.

The part saying that it had full root access and a kill-switch is a bit worse, but still... It doesn't have to be like this. Shout-out to the people working on the Valetudo project. If you're interested in getting a privacy-friendly robot vacuum, have a look at their website. It requires some know-how, but once it's done, you know for sure you don't need to worry about a 3rd party spying on you.

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[-] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 9 points 2 days ago
[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

Sheeesh, his fucking mobile phone mapped and photographed his house long ago.

[-] DNS@discuss.online 17 points 3 days ago

These arricles are meant to be rage bait for the techno-illiterate. As you said, cell phones mapped your house long ago as well as your smart TV, or any appliance that requires an internet connection.

People traded in their privacy for convenience.

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[-] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 16 points 3 days ago

He’s going to have a heart attack to find out that the floor plan to most houses are available online and have been for a long time.

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[-] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 3 days ago

Am I too dumb to understand why sending cartographer data is wrong?

His model is iLife A11 that has Lidar. He probably has an app that is used to control robot and shows cleaning progression. Vac 100% Lidar'd his entire home and sent data to create map in the app.

How in the fuck he thinks it is getting that map? If his ass so smart to find a killswitch and reverse it, how come he doesn't grasp that map data is sent to a server though which he ca use vac app? Like in what world is it not obvious?

Not even gonna discuss about TOS he signed, or that it is general cheap brand cheap but super smart model for it's price.

Unless some FOSS firmware and software is installed, that thing most certainly will ping back home every chance it gets.

Sidenote: My TV now is offline cause when it kept calling home (ove 60% of my pi-holes querries of all time was TV), it would freeze due to pi-hole block. Once set offline - issue is gone. I also know my robo vac is pinging, but at the same time if I block it, I'll lose app controls which I wont do. Sadly, my vac doesn't support Valetudo.

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