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[-] entwine@programming.dev 98 points 1 month ago

I installed Opera and used it exclusively.

Why do people use Opera? It's a proprietary Chrome fork owned by a Chinese company.

[-] racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 month ago

Perhaps for old time's sake. It used to be using its own engine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presto_(browser_engine)

[-] unexpected@forum.guncadindex.com 17 points 1 month ago

Yep. People have a bad habit of sticking to their habits beyond the point of usefulness. Myself included.

[-] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

Chrome opera doesnt even resemble old opera. Vivadli is closer, and is led by the same guy that led old opera.

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[-] danielton1@lemmy.world 72 points 1 month ago

"Why do people willingly use Windows?"

Because they are brainwashed into thinking it's the easiest platform, and that any problems they encounter are because that's just how computers are.

[-] AlecSadler 27 points 1 month ago

Or because work requires us to

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[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No, its mostly because 99% of people dont build their own computers and because 99% of prebuilts/laptops come with Windows preinstalled. Thats literally the only reason. If all devices came with Linux preinstalled, most people would be too lazy to switch and buy a windows license. This would change the market share of Linux which would immediately cause companies to prioritize making their software run on linux. Its really just corporate inertia.

[-] danielton1@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

That too. But I also know a lot of people who aren't tech-literate who refuse to consider buying anything that doesn't come with Windows because "it's too hard"

[-] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 15 points 1 month ago

It's the de facto standard for many reasons, none of them being individuals' choices. Microsoft paid and pushed for Windows to become the default OS on pretty much all OEM hardware, they lobbied super hard to push people into using Office, they gave massive discounts on licences for corporations, big and small companies.

It has nothing to do with individual choices, it created the problem you mentioned in your comment though. People just became complacent and ignorant because of that, not the other way around.

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[-] artyom@piefed.social 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Because what's the alternative? Pay $1k+ for a disposable MacBook or suffer through making Linux work.

[-] danielton1@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

Don't forget about the disposable laptops with Windows 10 that are no longer supported because Windows 11 doesn't like their TPM or CPU!

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[-] subignition@fedia.io 28 points 1 month ago

Yep, that's the brainwashing!

[-] Garbagio@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 month ago

What do you mean "Making Linux work?"

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 10 points 1 month ago

I know people like to joke this, but there's plenty of "I use distro X because it works well with Nvidia gpus", "I had to use XYZ to make the drivers for my steering wheel work" and "I use software XYZ which doesn't quite work (fast enough) through Wine/Proton".

Windows entire shtick is that due to its market dominance, companies will make sure their product works with Windows, hence it's a very plug-and-play OS.

Sure, Windows does shit users don't always want or like. But it doesn't generally outright break things these days. And if it does, the instructions online on how to fix it are generally a bit easier to follow than those for Linux.

Linux being a bit harder to set up isn't really Linux' fault. And these days the chance that your distro outright works without tweaks is fairly high. But it's not at the same level as Windows is yet.

[-] BremboTheFourth@piefed.ca 8 points 1 month ago

Windows doesn't generally break things? Weird, I wonder why I've been having to tour my clients' homes and having to either circumvent their arbitrary 11 requirements or install a pirated version of 10 LTSC. Must be a fluke. Besides, Microsoft is following every tech company and trying to replace actual programmers with AI, so I'm sure they'll never fuck anything up again.

And the instructions online for how to fix things are NEVER easier. What on earth? Troubleshooting Windows for the last 15 years has meant browsing a dozen forum posts with your exact issue and getting nothing but a bunch of script-following helpdesk people taking 3 paragraphs to ultimately tell you to restart your computer. And now, on top of all that garbage, you have to sort past a bunch of generated garbage articles. Better hope someone posted your problem on Reddit and didn't get their post deleted for whatever reason cuz there's no way to find anything useful otherwise

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[-] sapousername@mastodon.uno 5 points 1 month ago

@ChairmanMeow @Garbagio this is a fair comment. But except for gaming and some niche software (Photoshop, Cubase), I don't think windows is really better than Linux. Nowadays you can easily use windows software via winboat or Gnome Boxes, and this works well for 50% of the windows-only software. 90% of the activities are in the browser. Many software have valid and usable alternatives. In the end, anyone could use Linux with the same easiness if just it was pre installed, at least in dual boot.

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 7 points 1 month ago

Yeah but that's precisely the thing isn't it: you need to know Winboat, Gnome Boxes, VMs etc... exist, you need to know how to configure it and how to use it.

I've installed Bazzite a while ago for my sister after my old gaming PC didn't support W11 which I donated to her. Took 2 reinstalls because apparently it's very easy to mess with hard drive mounting in a way that bricks the OS into an unrecoverable boot loop. Then, I needed to get her games working through Lutris, which did eventually work but updating those games then became an issue. I know how to do it, but she still has difficulty getting the steps right. Had I left it to do it herself, she would've been far too intimidated to even get started properly (and she's above-average when it comes to computers). And of course 90% of computer work happens in the browser, but people are unlikely to switch if that remaining 10% doesn't also just work out of the box.

Arguably this all isn't Linux' fault, but that doesn't magic the issues away. Windows is just a lot more familiar and harder to brick beyond repair. Of course it's less powerful and more bloated, but managing to get a Linux install to that point is often still quite hard for many people. And the average person has very little patience to make something work.

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[-] Lojcs@piefed.social 41 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

#8 reawakened my nervousness about the lack of virus protection on Linux. With every milestone we celebrate it becomes more likely that malicious people target desktop Linux with their malware, and I don't think the "Linux is inherently secure" mentality helps. I hope clamav's on access scanner is fixed and improved so it becomes commonplace before there's some big newsworthy scandal.

[-] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

People were saying the exact same thing when I first started using Linux in 1999-ish

[-] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

What is survivorship bias aka gambler's fallacy?

[-] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

I'm not saying Linux is immune, just that people have said that, practically word-for-word, forever.

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[-] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago

Granular permissioned access for apps from trusted supply chains is better than attempting deny lists based on signatures (AV).

I still use it, but I put way more effort into SLSA, securing containers, flatpaks, and limiting their blow back. From there its keeping up with CVEs in ways that do not create more or break functionality.

I will say A LOT of the Linux software ecosystem is was more secure than Window's default.

[-] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 9 points 1 month ago

Is there antivirus for Android? I mean there surely is, but Android does not really need it because it's built from scratch to give each app as little permissions as possible*. Desktop Linux is going in the same direction.

* technically. This does not mean that Android is secure in terms of privacy.

[-] Rooster326@programming.dev 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Is there antivirus for Android?

Yes there is a Google Play Protect. There is also a service that checks every single App on the Store separately.

Though the effectivity is debatable.

There are third party ones but I have not heard anything good about any of them. I am not sure they are legitimate

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[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The Linux desktop is not really going in the same direction as Android

Not that "antivirus" software any more or less useful. It is mostly snake oil.

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[-] entwine@programming.dev 9 points 1 month ago

I don't think a Linux anti virus program would be such a big security win. Phishing is the biggest security threat to most users, and no amount of software can prevent that.

Sure, downloading and running random shit is a concern, but people in that group are a bit of a lost cause. The best solution for that is to harden the OS, prevent running executables through the GUI, or from user folders (I think SELinux could do that), disable sudo on the user account, and only allow installing Flatpaks. The security of Flathub may not be perfect, but it's a smaller attack surface than the whole internet.

But even if you do that, an Indian call center scam is still going to manipulate your grandma into buying Amazon gift cards, so... It's a lost cause.

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[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Why are we shouting?

Anyway, don't waste your time with "antivirus" software. That is not how you secure a system.

[-] Lojcs@piefed.social 8 points 1 month ago

Your viewer must be parsing #8 as # 8.

You're free to not 'waste time' with anti-virus but I prefer the peace of mind.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago

You need to put a backslash before the hash tag. In Markdown a # is a headet

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[-] princessnorah 5 points 1 month ago

That is not how you secure a system.

Yes, but projects like Wayland which are trying to do this get shouted down.

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[-] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 1 month ago

Whoever put autoplaying video with sound on that website should be executed.

[-] SCmSTR 9 points 1 month ago

The click bait headline was a clue.

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[-] AceFuzzLord@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Me in an alternate timeline where Linux is proprietary and the defacto OS on the majority of computers:

[-] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm sure there's a gazillion "I tried Linux for a week" articles, and I really like that they turned this one around.

But it has little substance.

He tells us how to add a user in Linux, but "with Windows 11, I pretty much had to sell my soul, do a backflip, promise to kneel at the foot of Microsoft, and learn to fly. OK, that's what it felt like." That's all. I'd have expected technical detail here. The other points aren't much better imho.

That said they're 100% correct on some points, and kinda correct on most others, e.g.: accidentally installing borderline malware through the Windows store is still Windows' fault, if indirectly.

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah, kinda disappointing how superficial this article is

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[-] specialwall@midwest.social 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I totally misread the title ๐Ÿ˜ญ ~~That is a very deceptive title. These are problems he noticed in Windows 11, not Linux.~~

[-] Deebster@infosec.pub 38 points 1 month ago

On first glance, I understood the title as saying there were nine problems in Win11; it might be ambiguous but I don't think it's fair to label it as very deceptive.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

It's barely even ambiguous

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[-] jonne@infosec.pub 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's how I read it first time, I don't see how it's misleading. I think everyone knows that Windows isn't ready for the desktop.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 month ago

Hello, my name is Jack Wallen, and I'm a glutton for punishment.

Bro really wants us to know hes been a bad boy ๐Ÿ˜ญ

[-] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Here's my comments on it being a mostly normal user of Windows.

  1. Creating a local account was a pain - 100% true. I've done it. It's annoying and it's pain to remote into as well. There's a very small set of people who care about though.
  2. Google Passkeys will not work - I have it working. I don't remember it being too difficult and put the difficulty on my inability to execute it well. Saving passkeys are easy now.
  3. An email client that really frustrated me - what in the actual fuck. This doesn't belong here.
  4. Natural scrolling is so unnatural - I don't know what this is. It's either that I use it and it's natural, I don't use it because it wasn't turned on automatically, I used it and have change my norm to fit it
  5. Ads? Are you kidding me? - I've never noticed an ad. I don't use the start menu often, but it's not never. I also use Pro so they may not be there.
  6. Save As defaults to OneDrive? Why? - This is stupid that MS does this. I get why it works for them and I can even see the reasoning for having on by default for the average user, but ask first.
  7. Windows 11 uses so many resources - Yes.
  8. Virus and threat protection - another fail for MS. This should be a no brainer.
  9. Power and battery options - It does suck that it doesn't detect that it isn't a laptop. Pretty easy fix, but it would be better if it detected it

Three big problems if ads is becoming a thing. Three medium problems. One small, one you, and one what the fuck.

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[-] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

"I ditched Linux for Windows 11 for one day - here's why its not a desktop for people who don't need the features of linux"

[-] percent@infosec.pub 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Only nine now? That's so much better than it used to be!

When I first tried Linux (Mandrake, many years ago), I could probably come up with 9 problems in just the first hour ๐Ÿ˜†

It's easy to find nine problems in Windows too, so this is pretty good for a free OS, IMO. It's great to see Linux gradually become more mainstream (aside from Android and servers)

Edit: I'm a dumbass lol

[-] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 41 points 1 month ago

The 9 problems were in Windows. He's going from Linux to Windows. Title is a bit easy to misread.

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[-] Sidhean@piefed.social 5 points 1 month ago

This feels like an article for non-tech Linux users who hate Windows and want their bias confirmed.

Ok, that's what it felt like

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