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China imported no soybeans from the U.S. in September, the first time since November 2018 that shipments fell to zero, while South American shipments surged from a year earlier, as buyers shunned American cargoes during the ongoing trade dispute between the world's two largest economies.

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[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 59 points 2 days ago
[-] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 23 points 2 days ago

I love these stickers because I know he’s staring into the sun, like the damn moron he is.

It makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 52 points 2 days ago

A local Iowa farmer killed themself recently due to the current state of affairs. I emailed Chuck Grassley to let him know that his constituents have started committing suicide thanks to his choices and those of his admin, and that he has literally blood on his hands. It's not even bad out there for farmers yet, but it's about to be, and that fear has been enough for people to give up.

[-] bluefootedbooby@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 days ago

Well yeah, that's the plan, so the private equity can buy up the land for cheap

[-] gornar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

JD Vance loves this one simple trick!

[-] cmbabul@slrpnk.net 62 points 2 days ago

Mia Wong of Cool Zone Media has been screaming this from her own mountains of madness since at least April 2nd. This is going to cause cascading impacts across the economy

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

We're at war with a far right authoritarian government intent on destroying our way of life and conquering the entire world. The Chinese Communist Party has to be stopped at all costs. This is a small price to pay in order to bring an end to Xi's Totalitarian Regime.

Google "Tiananmen Square" and then get back to me, if you don't think this is serious.

[-] flandish@lemmy.world 82 points 2 days ago

had me in the first part, the US is indeed far right and authoritarian. and must be stopped. 😉

[-] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago

You’re at war with two far-right authoritarian governments, and they BOTH want you to work yourself to death.

[-] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 days ago

I'll take "this fucker doesn't know how anything works" for $200, Alex.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

China will 100% win this war tho lol. They have all the resources, manufacturing capacity, etc. The US is a dead shell with no ability to self sustain without global trade.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

China will 100% win this war tho lol.

I mean, more seriously, it's not a war anyone can win. China's insourcing a lot of their productive capacity, but not because they love the idea of jettisoning all the talented Western engineers and manufacturers. It's because they can't risk being sanctioned out of the supply chain on some asshole's racist whims.

The US/China relationship was symbiotic. Ending it hurts us all.

The US is a dead shell with no ability to self sustain without global trade.

We continue to enjoy enormous professional, technical, and industrial capacities. But we're cannibalizing them for short term profit.

It's not anywhere close to gone, but it won't last forever, either.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah the conflict is not actually benificial to anyone except rich people (just like actual wars)

[-] its_kim_love 14 points 2 days ago

What do you think about Israel?

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[-] regedit@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Shhh and get back in mah underpants!

[-] tal@lemmy.today 40 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

https://www.csmonitor.com/Business/2025/1015/soybean-farmers-trump-bailout-china

Mr. Trump has angered many farmers by providing economic aid for Argentina, which almost immediately responded by suspending its export taxes on soybeans and other goods. That allowed China to buy a large lot of Argentina’s soybeans at a discount, further undercutting U.S. soybean farmers. Farmer sentiment – a measure of how farmers view their financial future – fell last month, reversing all the gains it had made since Mr. Trump’s election last year, according to the Purdue University-CME Group Ag Economy Barometer Index.

When America’s soybean exports diminish, farmers in Brazil and elsewhere in the Southern Hemisphere expand their acreage and grow more soybeans for export, diminishing U.S. farmers’ market share. That’s what happened in Mr. Trump’s first trade war with China in 2018.

South American farmers are beginning to plant their soybean crop. If there’s no imminent sign of a U.S.-Chinese arrangement over soybeans, then they have more incentive to increase soybean acreage. That’s a long-term threat, Mr. Gerlt says, because once in cultivation, those acres don’t go away.

[-] N0t_5ure@lemmy.world 51 points 2 days ago

Farmers have mostly voted for Trump, so may they reap what they have sown.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 17 points 2 days ago

farmers...reap what they have sown

Dammit. I wish I'd come up with that one.

[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Actually thinking about the idiom, I wonder if people used to complain a lot about the types or quality of vegetables they grew. It might be purely metaphorical, but I can definitely imagine it, having lived in a place where the owners didn’t box in their zucchini and I had to eat it twice a day for two months. I have a bunch of bomb zucchini recipes, including a self created prize winning quiche recipe (it’s just good homemade crust with an egg and no water, blind baked, then filled with zucchini rounds about 4mm thick sautéed with thin sliced red onions, balsamic vinegar, and rosemary, a little bit of good Parmesan and only two eggs in a 2:1 ratio with heavy cream- I don’t have it more precisely at hand rn), but I couldn't enjoy it for a decade afterward.

[-] Gerudo@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 days ago

But they keep getting bailed out, so no, they don't learn.

[-] crank0271@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Except for the soybeans. They likely won't be reaped.

[-] snooggums@piefed.world 29 points 2 days ago

That’s what happened in Mr. Trump’s first trade war with China in 2018.

Whomp whomp.

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[-] Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

For the first time in 7 years? Hmmm, would that make it Biden or Obama's fault then?

[-] SparkyBauer44@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

Spin the wheel, donny. Let's see who takes the blame this week on "IT!" "WASN'T!" "ME!"

[-] affiliate@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

This is a trick question. It was Hillary's fault.

[-] Archer@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Nope it was Mustardgate and Tansuitgate

[-] PodPerson@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago

Too many buttery males

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[-] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 days ago

But Trump is funding Argentinian soybeans

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

And Argentina is selling their soybeans to China! The cirrrcle of liiiiife

[-] Exusia@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Genuine ask, it (feels like) more and more fields have been shifting to soybeans for more than a decade. Who else is a major importer that justified the swing from corn and feeder silage, before China got on board?

E:googled my questions- its a high protein alternative to meat, so it is popular in China, Mexico, and EU where mass meat farms are not on the same priority or scale as the US. Its also easily swapped into animal feed, and is a good energy yield crop that costs less soil-nutrients than most other high value crops as it produces much of its own Nitrogen to grow. In scale - In those 7 years China now imports about 20-25% of all US soybeans harvested accounting for over half of all soybeans exports. The US accounts for 30% of world soybean exports.

Most farms in the US are on 3 crop rotation and private farms often use a 5 year payback plan (for land and equipment). They JUST GOT DONE paying off the loans they took to get massively into Soy. They saw Trump promise farmers the world, took loans and grew Soy, got slapped with a recession, and just as they are recovering from poor sales, they get hit again. Given 1 in 5 farms are an export farm (the 20% statistic from earlier), and where they're at in crop rotation, I would make a (wildly uneducated) guess that 1 in 3 farms will experience extreme hardship. Either they have savings to just eat the second recession hit and will remove any edge on "getting ahead", or will need bailout, or will go broke. The other 2/3 are on a different rotation or are major corporate farms that will find a buyer within their own meat farms system to try and mitigate the massive excess.

[-] fitgse@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 days ago

You can’t grow corn every year. It depletes the soil of nutrients. We grow soy because 1) it restores soil nutrients 2) it is very easy to plant and harvest 3) it can grow almost anywhere in the US 4) we had a buyer which was china using it as animal feed.

I don’t know that there is another good cash crop we can use for crop rotation.

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[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 days ago

And Argentina stepped in and sold their entire crop to China. All orchestrated by Trump.

[-] blave@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Lo— uh-oh…

[-] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago

We ought to stop funding South American countries then. Either start using the soy domestically, or start planing stuff that Americans eat. Maybe even focus on native plants that aren't patented and owned.

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