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Another Reddit refugee here,

I think we're all familiar with the Karma system on Reddit. Do you think Lemmy should have something similar? Because I can see cases for and against it.

For: a way to tracking quality contributions by a user, quantifying reputation. Useful to keep new accounts from spamming communities.

Against: Often not a useful metric, can be botted or otherwise unearned (see u/spez), maybe we should have something else?

What do you all think?

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[-] Steve@compuverse.uk 1 points 2 years ago

No need. New users can be kept in check simply by being new, as in age of account. Active users can determined by their history.

Adding a point system inherently makes it a game.

Unless its like Whose Line is it Anyway, where the "karma" points shown are random for each user, each day. That could be funny.

[-] TitanLaGrange@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No.

But if it did I'd prefer if it was divided into categories of some kind. Like, people often downvote content when they disagree, even if the content itself is good quality, or they might be posting legitimately funny/topical meme/jokes in a community where joking is discouraged.

It might be interesting to have a few options for votes, like agree/disagree, high-quality/low-quality, appropriate-forum/inappropriate-forum, or something to that effect.

So I could vote a post that is well-written and on-topic but that I disagree with as disagree, high-quality, appropriate. Or I could vote a joke reply that is on-topic and funny, but in a serious-only community as no-vote, high-quality, inappropriate.

Honestly, that would probably be a disaster in practice, but it might at least be a fun disaster!

In any case, I agree with others who suggest that vote tallies should be attached to posts, not users, at least publicly. There might be some utility to allowing mods or admins to see tallies for users.

Oh, and it seems to me that whatever system is used Lemmy-wide should provide some freedom for instances to handle user/post karma in the ways that they prefer and in a way that works well with federation. Like if my 'FunDisasterLemmy' instance allows voting like the above, when that data is federated if it isn't relevant to another instance it should be handled gracefully.

[-] Fondots@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I don't think karma was ever particularly useful on Reddit. You can't really differentiate between someone with a lot of karma from a whole lot of low-effort posts and someone who has made fewer but higher-quality contributions just from karma scores. For that you really need to look through their comment and post histories

I like numbers and statistics so I'd be interested in seeing them here, but it's just a curiosity and not in any particular way actually useful.

[-] jeff_rose@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I always liked having karma around as a personal metric, but I never actually looked at anyone else's or went farming for it. So I think it should be added but not made a determining factor by default. If someone wants to look at someone else's karma as an evaluation, that's their choice.

Probably more important than Karma, Lemmy needs flair or tagging for posts to help with categorization and searching.

In addition to that, Lemmy (and Mastodon) eventually needs algorithmic choice. This is one place where the Fediverse falls short compared to BlueSky. A chronological feed of everything is a good place to start but let me decide what I want to view and how I want to view it. For example, if I am person that cares about karma, let me weight that so people with higher karma show up higher on my feed.

[-] MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Is there a way to track it, but not show it? Does that makes sense?

To keep people from farming etc, but to also keep the discussion meaningful?

Tbh I'm also indifferent but I see where your coming from.

I'd like to foster a community where this isn't needed, but people are people.

[-] Seven@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago
[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

The only use for karma is filtering trolls

Lemmy hasn't gotten a large enough population to need that kind of filter yet, and it would require an automod capability to use anyway.

So, no, fuck the entire idea of it otherwise. Fuck the algorithm behind it, fuck the hidden nature of it.

[-] Billy_Gnosis@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

No. There should be no fake internet points at all.

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

How would it track positive contributions by a user? You can do that by seeing their comments and the individual upvote/downvote.

Karma is just going to ruin this place.

[-] Chadarius@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Karma is just a drug for Reddit addicts. Just let each post stand on its own regardless of who posts it. We don't need that extra layer of crap. I always disliked that.

[-] notExactlyI20@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Karma isn't a bad idea in theory. But it gets abused and promotes farming bots. I dunno, it's a double edged sword

[-] Willer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Mfers arguing whether reddits equivalent of a captcha will affect social interaction.

[-] chickenwing@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

No. I'd rather no up voting/downvoting on comments at all. It discourages discussion.

[-] Denuath@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Karma was always so irrelevant for me, I won't miss it.

[-] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

I would say something akin to what the name "karma" implies, but not something that can be farmed or botted. Almost like a rating that could factor in multiple different stats; like age of account, posts and/or comments per day, the overall positive/negative rating of said comments, post size, etc... And, it could all be consolidated into some sort of percentage and history graph or something. It would have to be actively developed and debated on to what works and doesn't work.

[-] lysistrata@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Wait, there's no karma here? Bye, it's been fun.

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[-] Minsk_trust@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

I dont care about karma but i do like to see a users history, something i apparently cant do on mlem. Not sure if thats site-wide or just this app. Without that i wouldnt be able to confidently use the buy-sell communities that i did on reddit like knife_swap or watchexchange.

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[-] MisterMoo@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

There's already "Reputation Points" so don't we already have that, but by another name? I like this name much better than "karma" by the way. I'm kinda good with what we have. It feels like an echo of some things from Reddit are here without being a total clone. Hopefully it won't influence people toward bad/annoying behavior like on Reddit.

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[-] fsk@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

No. It just leads to people gaming the system. I also think that counting upvotes but not downvotes is also a good idea, when ranking which posts show first. Too many people use downvote for "I disagree", which means a true idea with less than 50% popularity gets buried.

[-] vreraan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Similarly the most voted ideas does not mean they are good ideas, However, it is right that ideas that are too shitty go into the oblivion of downvotes.

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