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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by ruud@lemmy.world to c/lemmyworld@lemmy.world

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The 0.18 version of Lemmy was announced. This will solve many issues.

But we can't upgrade yet because the captcha was removed, and captcha relied on Websockets, which are removed in 0.18 so despite the devs agreeing on my request to add captcha back, this will not be until 0.18.1. Without captcha we will be overrun by bots.

Hopefully this 0.18.1 will be released soon, because another issue is that the newest version of the Jerboa app won't work with servers older than 0.18. So if you're on Lemmy.world, please (temporarily) use another app or the web version.

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[-] solrize@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Jerboa also won't work with Android older than 8.0 though that's less of a problem for server ops. But it still seems like reliance on unnecessary shiny tech. My 5yo Android 7 phone still works perfectly well and I plan to keep using it a while longer, so I can't use the official Lemmy app. I wonder how fundamental Jerboa's dependence on Android 8 is. Anyone know?

[-] noodles@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Tbh just use a custom rom

[-] solrize@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

If I get a new phone while my old one still works, I'll perhaps try a custom rom in the old one. Otherwise it's like messing with a production server.

[-] noodles@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Using Android 7 is a huge risk, it's simply not safe, go grab a new phone if you got money

[-] solrize@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Meh, if Android 7 has so many bugs, the later versions must have even more bugs. I'm not sure quite what I'm supposed to be at risk of. I don't run any Google Play apps, have mobile data turned off most of the time, don't have much really private info on the phone though I do have some auth credentials there (TOTP app that uses some kind of hardware secret store, plus API key for email app). If I had to replace my phone right away it would probably be with another Android phone, but in the long run maybe I'd prefer a Raspberry Pi tablet or something like that, plus a separate voice-only phone or wifi hotspot. Unfortunately VOIP seems to suck badly, at least with the app I've tried (Linphone). And also unfortunately, 2G is dead so I can't cobble together a DIY dumbphone using an ebay module. I don't think they have those for 4G yet.

If you have any particular suggestions of a phone that is 1) cheap, 2) has a headphone jack, 3) has easy to replace battery (having to open the phone with a screwdriver is acceptable, but having to melt adhesives with a high chance of destroying the phone is not). A built-in e-compass for navigation would be nice to have, and a decent camera (the 5MP one that I have now is ok, but the one in the N900 was awful). I don't need any high end features that I can think of. Lowish res screen is fine but it should be large. Wireless charging would be nice but that seems to conflict with easily replaceable battery. I am thinking of the Moto G Power which has some older versions on sale at Best Buy. But again, I'd rather postpone a new phone as long as I can.

[-] TAG@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

if Android 7 has so many bugs, the later versions must have even more bugs. I'm not sure quite what I'm supposed to be at risk of.

No, because the latest Android has all of the bug fixes discovered in Android 8-14.

Also, when the developers discover a big in the latest Android, they fix it. When the developers discover a bug in an old version, they check if it is still there in the latest.

[-] solrize@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I do understand that newer Android versions incorporate the bug fixes that were found in older versions. But their main purpose as far as I can tell is introducing new features (i.e. bugs) of their own. Android 7 is also not that old as far as this stuff goes. I'm sure lots of people are running even older Android versions on their phone. I still have an Android 2.3 music player (Archos 43) though I don't use it much.

I'm not a heavy user of Android so I tend not to pay too much attention. I'm on a 1GB/month data plan and I usually use less than 1/10th of it, checking email here or there. The only internet-connected Google app I use much is Maps, though that admittedly is one of the more invasive ones. Is there anything else I should watch out for? I get the impression most vulnerabilities are in apps rather than the OS. Most of my apps are from F-droid and I do keep those updated.

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[-] voracread@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Lemmymade seems to work for now. But some features are missing there I think.

[-] s38b35M5@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

And to anyone using Jerboa, be sure not to update past v0.0.34 until you see server v0.18.1+ on lemmy.world.

[-] krayj@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If you already Jerboa installed and set up and working then upgraded it in place, it seems to continue working fine with the 'outdated' version of lemmy.

That fact indicates that Jerboa is needlessly and overly sensitive with its startup checks when installing fresh and attempting to connect to a lemmy instance. I consider this a flaw with Jerboa.

Unfortunately, on my phone, the previous version of Jerboa always just crashed instantly on startup. That bug was fixed in the newest version of Jerboa, but I was never able to get Jerboa running enough previously to set it with a user account and preferred Lemmy instance.

[-] phx@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, mine complained about the server version but from what I can see everything still works ok.

[-] HerrLewakaas@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Has the websocket api been removed from Lemmy with this update?

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[-] wason@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

If you are logged in you can just update Jerboa to v0.0.35 and you'll get a message saying that the app works better with Lemmy v0.18 but it still works.

If you are not logged in, then use Jerboa v0.0.34 to log in and then update to v0.0.35

[-] solrize@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Frequently getting "404: FetchError: invalid json response body at http://lemmy:8536/api/v3/site" when trying to visit posts here, maybe due to some backend overload. I guess you know about this but mentioning because I didn't notice other posts about it.

[-] DishonestBirb@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Thunder, which is on the IzzyOnDroid F-Droid repo is a decent Lemmy Android app that plays well with lemmy.world currently. It also supposedly has an iOS version.

[-] Mario1159@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

It's just me or comments posted from this instance to instances in 0.18 don't appear to be syncing?, It's that normal?

[-] mashhitmyself@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Not just you. There is something fishy with this instance's connections to other instances and vice-versa. I've been looking into it from the outside. Of all the connections made to my instance, about 80% fail negotiating TLS. I'm not a protocol expert, but it's ONLY lemmy.world and it's not a cipher issue, because it does OCCASIONALLY connect and post some updates.

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