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Terrible article, let me save you all the time. Students using ChatGPT = Cheating , there you go, that's the article.
It isn’t cheating any more than Wikipedia is cheating and Wikipedia isn’t cheating any more than an encyclopaedia is cheating.
Just get out of then new world if you can’t lend a hand.
So you are suggesting that a student looking up information on Wikipedia is the same level of academic dishonesty as someone turning in a paper written by chatgpt?
What the fuck?
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Homework is a tool for repetition and drudgery. Kids are in school all day. They shouldn’t need homework.
I hate to say it but there are simply so many subjects to cover in a single day that it's hard to reinforce the lessons learned in class within the given amount of time in a school session. Maybe if schools were structured in a way in which fewer subjects were taught each day would the lessons stick better without the need of homework.
Homework should be reading, class should be demonstration and practice
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Repetition is how people learn to remember things and improve their skills. I fail to see how that's bad.
People learn through spaced, interleaved, varied, low stakes practice. Mass practice after a long day of work isn't helpful
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Fr. Just do the homework in school, proctored, if it matters so much to the teacher.
Ultimately the kids will get a test, and it should include an essay section, which they obviously have to write on the spot. I don't really think it matters how much homework they did or didn't do or what tools they used to "cheat", as long as they can perform come test day that's what matters.
do you think someone will be capable to write an essay if it is literally the first essay they ever write, since they were using AI all the previous times? This is like reading solved math equations and believing that in a test you'll be able to solve them on the spot, without having tried to solve any by yourself before.
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There shouldn't be homework to begin with. Kids go to school FULL TIME, not including commute.
My senior secondary board believes that students. should spend 6 hours a week per subject on top of the hours they are physicians in class. It is insane
Whoa, they make those kids see patients during class?
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I agree with you for most things except math. For math and math based courses you need to practice a ton to get it.
Reading and writing are no exception. You also need practice to learn foreign languages. It's not just math
as is the arts as well. there's a reason humans excel at different things in different ways
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Clearly an article written to fit a headline rather than the other way around. They talk about use in education settings as a sign that the use cases are limited, despite accounting for only a 12% increase.
In other news, pencil use is up 100% in the last month, signaling that pencils have limited use cases and are only good for cheating on homework.
“You can use AI such as ChatGPT or Copilot on your senior projects, just make sure the code works, you understand it enough to document it, and your sponsor is ok with external code use” - paraphrased from my Software Engineering department head about our senior capstone projects.
“I have the kids ask ChatGPT for an essay and then have the (8th grade) kids treat it like a rough draft so they have practice editing it” - my English teacher Father
The best way to handle it is to embrace and use it to augment your skills, much like calculators in math classes.
A calculator calculates. An AI bullshits.
The only thing ChatGPT can actually do might be marketing speeches, since they are nonsensical to start with and made by things pretending to be humans.
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Both of these methods require the student to understand the work. My old man brain insists they should have to code assembly from scratch and walk through snow storms to a library for their essay research, but in reality this is likely how this technology will be used. It's a practical approach. The 8th grade version should probably include fact checking.
I’m thinking of LLMs like calculators when I was in school.
It’s good to have a fundamental understanding of how it all works, but let the tool be the workhorse and just learn to validate.
you can understand how subtraction or multiplication works, but if you don't do them repeatedly in your head and on paper you will end up needing a calculator for the most ridiculous things. Like getting change or splitting a bill with a friend, or whatever.
To be fair, I dont think the people growing up with calculators in class and using chat gpt will be using cash at all. Not sure the last time I have even held physical currency, honestly. While your splitting a bill part might remain, we dont really need to worry about calculating change anymore.
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Really it needs to start a little younger: in 5th or 6th grade they should be writing short essays in class, by hand, and then move onto outlining for larger essays, and then they can start using AI to do the drafts at home.
I was definitely outlining and writing essays in early grades but was on an accelerated track. My friends from the neighborhood who went to a different junior high entered high school without ever have done this. That blew my mind at the time and still does today decades later.
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Homework shouldn't even exist anymore, it's antiquated and gives kids no work/life balance. (It might actually be a conspiracy to condition them to being worked to death.)
In many countries, schools only care about grades. I was pretty good at getting good grades by understanding what will be tested and minimizing the effort to get there. I would've totally used ChatGPT to do my homework.
However, if usage is only recovering because students are back, that may be a bad sign because it suggests there's a limited range of use cases for ChatGPT and other AI-powered chatbots.
Or maybe kids have always been the early adopters for computer tech?
So the homework is encouraging kids to explore a real life tool and the teacher can look at the result and corrects any issue with the result thus guiding the students towards a appropriate usage.
It's a good thing.
you can't be serious
I bet calculator usage also goes up during the school year
I'm from the "show your work, you won't carry a calculator around when you're in the real world" generation. This hits home hard.
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At the end of the day generative AI not only exists but is likely right at the start of a logistics curve. In ten years time this tech is going to be pervasive
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At work when I write certain emails or code snippets I'll paste them into ChatGPT and ask it to make the email sound "more professional" or "optimize this code." ChatGPT also talks to me like SHODAN from System Shock 😆
I hope you know what you're doing. That's a good way to share company secrets with outsiders, also it's uncertain whether you're even legally allowed to use the resulting code.
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And how do your propose to stop it? The cats out of the bag, you need to design better homework.
Right?!
Don't tell students to write a book report, have them present one. Ask them live questions about their knowledge. It's also a great skill to have, knowing how to present.
It's so simple.
I don't understand why anyone wants to stop it. I'm a teacher and since ChatGPT came out, my job got so much easier. I will say, ahead of my examples, that I proofread everything it creates and make sure all the facts are straight before submitting anything, but it's still a lot quicker.
I can use it to provide feedback on students work, I use it to write up lesson plans and schemes of work, I use it to draft emails, I use it to give me ideas for activities etc.
99.9% of the time there are parts I need to edit or delete due to irrelevance but it's done the bulk of the work. This is the same for students work, if they don't proofread it they will most likely hand in incorrect work.
Handwritten assignments are going to make a comeback. It's hard to cheat through an essay you have to write on the spot.
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discussion in here looking like old r/teenagers with predictable takes
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It's a godsend honestly. I just went back to school at damn near 40 and with a full time job. ChatGPT has made getting through my school work so much easier and faster. I would have never had the patience or time to do college work without it.
Only if you don't have the patience to use Chatgpt properly.
Trends don’t confirm hypotheses like this one. And they don’t appear to have the data for a proper causal analysis. At best, they have an interesting data point.
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