This is what we do: we eat our own. Gods forbid we unite behind someone with a demonstrable record of fighting for us, no! We need to be a disorganised mass of rudderless, conflicting voices desperate to do things according to the whims of every self-important academic.

We deserve Reform. If this is the best we can do, we'll never have anything better.

I think this is by far the best option in a dispointing mess.

But I also think we need to be very observent of this new factions actions. To ensure no group tries to limit membership control.

We have no evidence to support ZS"s claims. Other then her statement and some internal supporters backing.

But the party from day one has been advertised on membership ownership and control. Any effort to limit that is unacceptable from any leadership founders/faction.

Any party rules need to include an option for members to wrestle control from any sub org with a mass vote.