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CRISPR and other tools aren’t science fiction anymore. If the wealthy get there first, what happens to everyone else?

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[-] normalspark@lemmy.world 217 points 1 month ago

The plot of the film Gattaca explores this, the idea of what society looks like when there's a class of genetically engineered, "superior" people, vs. the naturally born, "inferior" class.

[-] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 93 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Is that the movie where (sorry for the bad synopsis) the guy vacuums his work desk because he wants to go to space?

[-] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 month ago

Tbh, I think GATTACA barely touched the topic. It focussed so much on the brothers' rivalry that you could strip out the genetic engineering part and it'd barely change the movie

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 29 points 1 month ago

Yeah it’s a cool movie but the message of systemic disadvantages don’t matter if you try hard enough is a little questionable at best.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

The issue wasn't "try hard enough". It was how systematic disenfranchisement hobbles people far more than their genetics.

Once you brand someone as "lesser", their actual capacity is irrelevant. They won't be given the opportunity to succeed (much less to fail and try again) while the presumed-superior cohort is offered advantage after advantage in order to prove they are better.

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[-] HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

That movie is 9/10. The ending is absolutely beautiful.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

Okay, but the moral of the story was that "superior" people weren't actually superior. They were just racist.

The protagonist outwits and outperforms them all.

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[-] sanguinepar@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Not seen Gattaca, but a multi-tier, genetically structured society is the basis of Aldous Huxley's Brave New World, which is well worth a read.

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[-] HurlingDurling@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Same for H. G. Wells- The Time Machine book in the part where the traveler meets the Morlocks and the Eloi.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Time_Machine

EDIT: Got my authors mixed up, it wasn't Jules Verne.

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[-] TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website 102 points 1 month ago

Yes.

But it’s already here. Education is already doing what you’re fearing. Rich people tend to have access to better education and thus having access to better salaries, positions, etc.

[-] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yep. Learned behavior is where human evolution actually happens; it's our specialization, our niche as big brained, highly social, linguistic apes. Don't gotta wait for random genetic changes that happen to encode useful new instincts. We just learn them from one another. Significantly speedier.

If rich people go mucking about with their genomes, it's much more likely to backfire in unforeseen ways than to actually instill any sort of advantage. Genes are a messy, messy, messy means of encoding things.

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[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 54 points 1 month ago

ha, dude this already exists. you can almost reliably determine success by zip code, because poor people dont deserve healthcare or education or to do anything but work their fingers to the bone to stay alive.

the whole genetic piece is just the final chapter

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[-] chunes@lemmy.world 47 points 1 month ago

As someone suffering from a terrible genetic disease that will kill me soon, any amount of preventing these diseases under any circumstances gets a thumbs up from me.

[-] Cabbage_Pout61@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sadly, the most probable cloning related future would be Gattaca

^(edit typo)

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[-] stoly@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago

As others have said, go see Gattaca. It's completely about this topic and very interesting.

[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

They don't need genetic engineering to have advantage over everyone else tbf.

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[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ooor they'll turn their kids into "pugs" that are ultra-cute and good at passing certain tests but otherwise useless and unhealthy.

I'd definitely prefer we didn't go down that path, but do consider the endpoint might be more The Time Traveler than Gattaca, because rich people aren't exempt from being dumb.

[-] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

If the 'rich' are anything about choosing genes as they have been about choosing plastic surgery, we know that most of them will make a complete hack of it and their offspring will suffer for it.

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[-] triptrapper@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

This happens in a smaller way with access to prenatal testing and abortions. Parents with access to those things are at least able to detect and avoid the more debilitating birth defect, while parents without access are more likely to have a child with a severe birth defect. If they're already struggling materially, that can sometimes guarantee that both the parents and child will have no upward mobility.

[-] cmbabul@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Here’s a scarier thought, if they can fine tune this shit enough they’ll probably just clone themselves and pull a ship of Theseus on themselves. Removing the only remaining equalizer between them and the rest of humanity.

The rich fucks at the top want to become gods. They won’t call it that but that’s the end game for the ones with the most hand on the wheel.

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[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 19 points 1 month ago

gattaca, and the cloning show with arnold in

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[-] ndondo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 month ago

This has been a thing for at least a few years. Luckily last I checked (pre pandemic) it hasn't taken off bc

  1. Eugenics reminds people of Nazis and is bad
  2. Genetic diversity might be the only thing that saves us in another pandemic. Kind of like how strains of bananas all go extinct at once if they're genetic clones.

So probably too dangerous to actually take off any time soon. Iirc a Chinese scientist tried it and got sent to jail, seems to be a pretty universal thing

[-] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago

I wonder how that kid is doing. I would love to hear an update. It was bad and all but I am still curious.

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[-] maplebar@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Despite being nearly 100 years old, Brave New World (1931), written by Aldous Huxley, covers the idea of class-based genetic engineering and genetics based class definition, as one of its core themes.

[-] FridaySteve@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

This already happens with social factors that affect physical development like access to nutrition and a permanent place to live.

[-] frozenpopsicle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 month ago

Beggars in Spain by Nancy Kress. A scifi that deals with the creation of classes based on whether you can afford to buy your children good genes. Politicians are charismatic, ruthless and good looking, because they are bred for politics. In this world people without genemods are sorta out of luck, without any of the tools or enhancements rich genemod people have.

Or, check out GATTACA, good movie.

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm compelled to mention every time GATTACA is mentioned, that the title is made up of the amino acids* that comprise our DNA: A,T,C,G

*nucleic acids

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Can’t wait for them to make their kids super smart and then their kids call them idiots.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 6 points 1 month ago

I'm thinking there are dominant and latent effects to any development, natural or engineered. This tech could have latent effects similar to uhh pedigreeing.

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[-] redwattlebird@lemmings.world 14 points 1 month ago

Nature takes its course.

Remember the rich tried to keep their genes separate from the masses by inbreeding. Look at where that got them.

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[-] Nemo@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 month ago

Are you just now discovering that eugenics is bad?

[-] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 month ago

The tech in itself isn't inherently bad, it could solve a lot of issues for a lot of people. The problem is in equal access.

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 month ago

Which is generally the problem with eugenics. No one is arguing that avoiding downs syndrome is a bad thing.

[-] Blemgo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

And even then, editing out unwanted mutations can still stifle society as a whole and may be morally the wrong choice. For example, what about eradicating autism due to the immense pain these individuals receive due to our society? Is it better to change our society to accommodate people afflicted with it or wipe out the genes responsible for it if it is easier? And if we choose the latter, where is the cutoff point? Can we even tell when we crossed that line, where our drive to improve ourselves ended being done out of mercy and began to be about creating the model citizen?

[-] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 month ago

Editing a gene is not like editing code. But I'll let the rich folks experience the wonders of body-horror.

Who am I to deny them this nightmare😏

[-] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Planet of the Rich, where the apes are billionaires and everyone else is... pretty much the same.

[-] inconel@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Technology is (at least for now) not exclusive to the rich. There can be billionaires' secret labs and underground diy labs. Since few science fictions pop up in the topic and CRISPER is mentioned, I am going to leave CRISPER cookbook and Chapter 2 which was written in response to Roe vs Wade.

[-] EightBitBlood@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Don't worry, they're absolutely stupid enough to practice CRISPR to the point where their kids are inbreeding within a generation because their CRISPR fixed genetics made them all too biologically similar to create effectively genetically diverse offspring.

Techno fuedalism is still fuedalism. So that means idiots all at the top.

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[-] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago

We need to make CRISPR as easy as 3D printing. Open source genetic modification.

Sure, we'll get lunatics making doomsday viruses in their basement, but also other lunatics designing vaccines for them you can make with your own desktop bioreactor.

More importantly, we'll also get people turning themselves into catgirls.

Screw cyberpunk; biopunk's where it's at.

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[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

That's already happened. It happened a long time ago.

[-] lemmie689@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 month ago

Excerpt from the book Accelerando

Free Chromosome Foundation has already published a manifesto calling for the creation of an intellectual-property-free genome with improved replacements for all commonly defective exons.

If you would like to read more...

Accelerando is a great sci-fi novel from Charles Stross, touching upon the theme of technological singularity. It is available as a free ebook, under Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 2.5 License!

Thus, I can legally reproduce parts of it here. This is the collected chronology of the future, found throughout the book (minus spoilers):

https://prokonsul.removed/2008/12/accelerando.html?m=1

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[-] SlippiHUD@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I think we all end up like the Asgards from SG-1 without the ability to transfer our consciousness to a new body.

Extinct via hubris. Obviously this assumes we do something about runaway global heating.

[-] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

What change would a person who thinks they're already perfect make?

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