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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by WhoRoger@lemmy.world to c/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world

It's not even "Incognito" (what a misnomer too), this is a Gecko-based browser

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[-] WhiteTiger@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

I mean, of all sites, polls make the most sense to require cookies to avoid duplicate votes.

[-] milady@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Cookies are really inappropriate for this use..

[-] Beliriel@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

You need to track the user for a poll. Sessions don't work since private browsing enables duplicate votes. Tracking the IP can block users from the same network/wifi. Cookies get auto-sent and browser storage is only clientside. Really not many more options aside from making an account on a site and logging in. I find it a pretty reasonable solution actually.

[-] milady@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Cookies fall short just the same as sessions. you're asking the user to pinkie promise they won't clear their cookies / modify them.

An account seems the most logical. You need to avoid duplicates ; it's not really about privacy here. You'll only make a tradeoff between accomplishing no duplicates and letting users do what they want.

[-] JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

It could be useful to prevent accidental duplicate votes. But definitely not sufficient for malicious actors.

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[-] danprs@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Wouldn't the better solution be to keep a log of previous client IPs, on the server side? Sure, VPN will circumvent it, but it's much easier for me to clear a cookie 100 times then to connect to 100 different VPNs.

[-] Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com 3 points 2 years ago

The EU has made logging IP addresses generally illegal.

[-] Cynosure@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

IPs rotate too often and it would only allow 1 vote per modem.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Except that it is really easy to clear cookies

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[-] quinten@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

"One vote per IP-address" - So they already tackled the problem that people can vote more then once.

Straight-up asshole design.

[-] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Exactly what I think. They also block VPNs and such.

[-] SeeJayEmm@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That's also asshole design. Most people are behind some form of nat. It's especially egregious for customers of ISPs who use CGNAT.

[-] PumpedSardines@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

I feel like for straw poll it's more valid, they probably do it to try and avoid people voting more than once.

[-] ditherwither@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Yes, but if you wanted to, you can write a script that mass votes and bypasses this (if there is no captcha)

[-] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

A bit yes, but any technique like that can be used to fingerprint and deanonymize users.

[-] bustrpoindextr@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Yes, but that's the only way you can trust electronic voting, by removing anonymity

[-] Dick_Justice@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

That's when I stop giving them traffic. There's far too many alternatives to do otherwise.

[-] ilickfrogs@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Enter.

"NOPE"

clicks back

And proceed to chose next search result.

[-] SevereLow@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Cookies are not evil per se... but data mining companies made them like that.

I'm administrating an online store and cookies are responsible for the customer's cart, plus their user session / logged in state.

As an admin I adhere to the "golden rule", thus there are no creepy trackers on store. I don't like them and I don't want customers to face the same thing on websites that I manage.

That said, cookies are needed for user session & fraud protection. Instead of nuking cookies we shall kick the trackers out.

[-] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Yea but all that kind of functionality can work with (permanent) private mode as well. I don't use a lot of web services so I can log in when I need or make a pwa like with Lemmy here.

[-] nieceandtows@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

It kind of makes sense for strawpoll, because without some sort of cookies, they wouldn't know if the same person is voting multiple times. But they should say something like 'incognito mode makes the votes inaccurate, please visit on normal mode'

[-] joyjoy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

One vote per IP-Address allowed.

They already have your IP. "Incognito" mode doesn't change that.

[-] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

That does have the consequence of allowing only one person to vote per public IP, which on large networks may correspond to quite a lot of users.

That probably doesn't matter much for a simple internet straw poll, but I can imagine situations where IP-based uniqueness isn't reliable enough.

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[-] ComradeR@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

When I go to a site, and they do it, I avoid it at all the costs or never come back!

[-] DreamySweet@vlemmy.net 5 points 2 years ago

It's not pointless, it's so they can track you.

what a misnomer too

It's crazy how many people think "incognito mode" prevents people from seeing what websites they are visiting.

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[-] chagall@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago
[-] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

I'll look into that. I believe web sites shouldn't have any way to detect private mode, right?

[-] Eavolution@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

I wonder if it tries to save a cookie then read it back? I don't really know how any of this works but that sounds like a way to detect it that's fairly infallible.

[-] curiosityLynx@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Writing a cookie and reading it back should work just fine even in incognito mode. It just gets deleted once incognito is closed.

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[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

There's an extension that allows you to hide incognito mode from websites called Hide Private Mode I'm not sure why browsers don't do this by default (maybe it's some funny compliance thing) it would greatly improve privacy.

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[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Honestly people should just set there browser to clear cookies on close

[-] LufyCZ@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Can't say I like logging into all of my accounts (most of which gave 2FA as well) 3 times a day

[-] FearTheCron@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

It would be nice if you could whitelist sites for cookies. That way you can stay logged into things like email.

[-] DarthRedLeader@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

You 100% can. That's exactly how I have mine set up. It clears cookies on exit but then I manage a whitelist.

Here are the Chrome instructions. Firefox is more or less the same.

https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95647?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform=Desktop#zippy=%2Callow-or-block-cookies-for-a-specific-site

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[-] Izzy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Any websites that doesn't just work with a simple ad blocker or still has ads I just close and never return.

[-] Exusia@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

"Oops! Looks like you're using an adblocker! Please pay a subscription!"

Oops looks like I'm gonna check the comments for someone who pasted your article for free!

[-] MBM@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Just don't complain when people no longer write good articles because there's no money in it

[-] Exusia@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Adblockers are borne of intrusive ads. If they were sidebar things like they used to be I'd be much less inclined to use one and just let them collect their ad revenue. Nowadays though there's gotta be a video, a video embedded at the top, a pop-up ad, a break in an article every 10 lines of text for an ad, and then a delayed popup for when you get halfway down the page, PLUS the sidebar and banner ads.

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Exactly, sidebar and banner are fine. If that's all I see I'll let it slide. The ones that make you stop reading to chase down the little black "x" on a pop up or separate the text with a wall of ad, fuck that shit.

[-] kaotic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I kind of understand this one though, 99% of the time stuff like this is just bullshit. But this is an effort to stop users from voting multiple times.

[-] lynny@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Sites like this I just close the tab and use uBlacklist to hide them from any search results.

[-] Jables@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

You can install the Ghostery add-on on Firefox mobile to prevent cookies and trackers.

[-] dangblingus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

When is the world going to admit that by and large, internet advertising is garbage and doesn't work? People are far more likely to buy whatever random crap sponsor is on their fav youtuber's videos than anything from "targeted advertising".

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