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Not everything is black or white.

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[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 72 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

How does buyeuropean even suggest any stance towards anything happening in West Asia?


Edit: i just wanted to snark at weird people in the OP and i didn't think this would be somehow controversial. i'm on your and palestine's side but i'm in no mental shape for this discussion and trying to explain what i mean further so i'm out.

[-] unconsequential@slrpnk.net 21 points 1 month ago

Because boycotts are a relevant and powerful tool and part of being a thoughtful consumer is being educated on the ethics of the companies youโ€™re monetarily supporting. That would be my guess anyway.

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 15 points 1 month ago

I don't disagree at all, I just don't see the connection between being a thoughtful consumer and any opinion on what Israel is doing in Palestine whatsoever. Those are two different things in my mind. I am very open to being educated.

[-] unconsequential@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 month ago

So you are ok with monetarily contributing to genocide?

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 10 points 1 month ago
[-] unconsequential@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 month ago

Many companies globally are active participants in the ethnic cleansing and genocide of Palestine either through direct support or partnerships. The BDS Movement exists for a reason.

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes. I know. I'm not making myself clear.

I don't think trying to be a thoughtful consumer necessarily implies any opinion in regards to Palestine. One does not follow from the other.

Of course, I personally do think it makes sense to also support Palestinians and want the IDF to fuck off out of there - because that's my opinion so obviously I think it makes the most sense (why else would that be my opinion). But I'm very certain there are people who want to consume thoughtfully and also support Israel (and there is no contradiction in this that I can see). Again, not me.

All I'm saying is that these are separate things that don't affect each other (at least not directly). I don't understand how the people in OP's post come to the conclusion that buyeuropean=zionist. I also wouldn't understand if they concluded buyeuropean=non-zionist (but it would make a bit more sense to me personally because I'm biased towards my own opinion, as is everyone).

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[-] Saleh@feddit.org 11 points 1 month ago

If you want to be a thoughtful consumer, it means you got to be thinking about something more than just the price and your perceived use of a product.

There must be some ethical consideration that also influences your purchase. So we need to talk about which ethical considerations are important and not aiding and abetting Israeli crimes through financing their economy or companies that provide them with arms or other military use items, is a quite important ethical consideration.

It is also a legal obligation as the ICJ ruled https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20240719-adv-01-00-en.pdf:

  1. Taking note of the resolutions of the Security Council and General Assembly, the Court is of the view that Member States are under an obligation not to recognize any changes in the physical character or demographic composition, institutional structure or status of the territory occupied by Israel on 5 June 1967, including East Jerusalem, except as agreed by the parties through negotiations and to distinguish in their dealings with Israel between the territory of the State of Israel and the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967. The Court considers that the duty of distinguishing dealings with Israel between its own territory and the Occupied Palestinian Territory encompasses, inter alia, the obligation to abstain from treaty relations with Israel in all cases in which it purports to act on behalf of the Occupied Palestinian Territory or a part thereof on matters concerning the Occupied Palestinian Territory or a part of its territory; to abstain from entering into economic or trade dealings with Israel concerning the Occupied Palestinian Territory or parts thereof which may entrench its unlawful presence in the territory; to abstain, in the establishment and maintenance of diplomatic missions in Israel, from any recognition of its illegal presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territory; and to take steps to prevent trade or investment relations that assist in the maintenance of the illegal situation created by Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory

Now the ICJ ruled on the obligation of states, but the underlying principle is clear. If the states are obliged "to prevent trade or investment relations that assist in the maintenance of the illegal situation created by Israel...", the trade itself is illegal.

[-] locuto@social.tchncs.de 5 points 1 month ago

@Lumidaub @unconsequential

I don't see the connection either. Some people are just obsessed with certain topics.

[-] mathemachristian 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Gonna copy my comment here as well

Europe is a major buyer of goods produced in Occupied Palestine. The Occupation regime of west palestine gets material support for their ongoing genocide through tariffs and taxes on these products. Buying products labelled "made in Israel [sic]" materially supports the murder and systematic starvation of children.

Further a lot of "made in europe" products source their stuff from occupied palestine, please refer to https://bdsmovement.net/ if you want to help cut off aid to the genocidal entity.

Also yeah, I think its ok to be "obsessed" with an ongoing genocide especially when it seems like everyone around me seems to have forgotten that currently there are kids being maimed, starved and shot. It's maddening as a parent to see everyone just go about their daily lives as if nothing was happening.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 20 points 1 month ago

I assume because most European countries have, at least until very recently, been staunch supporters of Israel.

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 12 points 1 month ago

Same for the US though, no?

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 17 points 1 month ago

I assume most people coming to "buy European" are either not American, considering the primary purpose of this Community is to avoid buying American...

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 26 points 1 month ago

Well yes, but "I don't want to buy American but European instead and the reason is that Europe supports Israel" would be a weird stance because the US too has been supportive of Israel historically, regardless of where people are from.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 7 points 1 month ago

That's not how I read the OP. It was more "I want to buy European, but I'm wary that by doing it I might continue to support Israel."

[-] maam@feddit.uk 7 points 1 month ago

I would prefer my dollars go to the most ethical countries sure.

[-] Plagiatus@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago
[-] maam@feddit.uk 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

My hoser moment ๐Ÿคก๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ

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[-] Babalugats@feddit.uk 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The primary purpose of this community is to buy European.

I would've thought that was obvious.

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[-] mathemachristian 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!

[-] syreus@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

***Edit: Context was added. Original text was just the first half.

Both groups use this slogan. You may want to add context when you use it.

[-] mathemachristian 10 points 1 month ago

Thats actually true fair point

[-] syreus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

I found out the hard way. Just trying to pay it forward.

[-] mathemachristian 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

For context Likud was the first party that dethroned the so-called "labor" party in 1977. Prior to that the "labor" party would always lead the regime. The liKKKud platform at the time had as its first point:

a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party

The destruction of the palestinian people was always part of their plan.

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[-] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 14 points 1 month ago
[-] maam@feddit.uk 12 points 1 month ago

Israel is included in Eurovision and the European Union includes Asian land within its borders so itโ€™s relevant to discuss how we want to steer this ship.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 8 points 1 month ago

No it's not. That the ebu invites Israel and Australia is just idiotic.

[-] maam@feddit.uk 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They're involved in the organization and Cyprus is geographically situated in Asia paving the door for "Israel to join" that some individuals are proposing.

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[-] mathemachristian 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Europe is a major buyer of goods produced in Occupied Palestine. The Occupation regime of west palestine gets material support for their ongoing genocide through tariffs and taxes on these products. Buying products labelled "made in Israel [sic]" materially supports the murder and systematic starvation of children.

Further a lot of "made in europe" products source their stuff from occupied palestine, please refer to https://bdsmovement.net/ if you want to help cut off aid to the genocidal entity.

[-] SadJustSad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
[-] missandry351@lemmings.world 8 points 1 month ago

Am Israel Chai ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ฑ

[-] mathemachristian 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Settler ๐Ÿคฎ isntrael

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 6 points 1 month ago
[-] SadJustSad@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

Belgian here.

The corrupted socialist party have been surprisingly strong on the matter. The rest of them are willing to give lip service, but they don't care much about genocide victims.

On the street though most people are against genocide

[-] logi@piefed.world 6 points 1 month ago

They use the word "will" a lot in that article and "caveats" a few times. So perhaps Belgium will make it to onto that list but with some caveats.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 4 points 1 month ago

The caveats seem to be around the administrative stuff, like setting up an embassy. Being afaict the first western country to put any noteworthy sanctions on Israel deserves a place at the top of the list, IMO.

[-] logi@piefed.world 6 points 1 month ago

The Belgian foreign minister, however, said the recognition would only be formalised once the last captive has been released from Gaza and โ€œHamas no longer has any role in managing Palestineโ€.

Those are caveats.

Israel will face 12 sanctions from Belgium

That's promising, but there is that word "will" again. So perhaps they "will" earn a place on that list but not yet.

[-] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Fuck Israel, genocidal scum!

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