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On finding a job. (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

I can't find a job.
Well I could but there doesn't seem to be any jobs that fit.
Or if there are I can't find them. (But I don't think so)

The biggest problem is that I live in estonia and it seems there really isn't a well-developed anarchist/socialist/syndicalist movement here. The IWW doesn't have a branch and searching online doesn't really yield any results (aside from a couple of socdem groups),

I don't know how to search for a job that isn't just doing menial labour for some company.

I would like to work for a global fully-remote anarchically managed tech syndicate. But I don't think those exist and I imagine starting one is incredibly difficult. (Well starting it wouldn’t be difficult, but finding people capable and willing to work for something like that, while getting enough income, is.)

At the end of the day the means dictate the ends. Looking for a job in a capitalist way is going to land you with a capitalist job. I need to look for a job in a anarchist/socialist/syndicalist way, but how do you do that in an environment where those ideas aren't widespread?

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[-] black_flag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 weeks ago

Actually, finding people who want to work on that sort of thing online is not hard. Worker cooperatives have better pay, better likelihood of success, and come with a cleaner conscience. People want that. Making it work legally is difficult: it's difficult enough to manage books and build a business within capitalist legal structures while maintining consensus-based organizing without having that be across many national jurisdictions.

Why not work a regular job doing menial labor? The pay is shit? OK, fight for it to be better alongside your comrades. Isn't that what the labor movement is all about? Idk, easy for me to say in a place with high minimum wage

[-] anaVal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago

My main reason is ideological. Why should I waste my precious time working in a job that doesn't advance my goals of creating a freer society? while also making pennies for some shareholder at the top? on top of that I get bored of doing the same thing over and over again. I want my work to have more variance.

And I guess while being truly international is kinda difficult it seems that it's a lot easier within the EU and USA.

[-] metaStatic@kbin.earth 2 points 2 weeks ago

don't waste your time then

keep looking for the perfect role but don't die in a gutter for your ideology in the meantime.

[-] redti@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

There is no individual solution. That cooperative of your dream will it be in the air out the planet earth in the eter of your imagination? Or will it be in the capitalist mode of production? In wich world do you live? What is the society who made you? You are a slave like or not. You'll stay a slave whatever under democratic rules or fascist one in a capitalist enterprise or in a coop. Stop dreaming. Read Marx.

[-] anaVal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

No thanks. I like my theory to be from the current century. You know the one where we have stuff like the internet, imminent climate disaster and the hindsight of the soviet regime.

Also starting a cooperative is no individual solution. It's a first step towards establishing a collective economy. Which could fuel the collective spirit and start a political movement.

[-] redti@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

Stay in your theory then the reality is gonna refute you before you know it.

[-] alzymologist@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago

Well, there is one important difference when it comes from manual labor to IT: the latter scales a lot. One person writes a silly piece of code, millions of copies get sold effortlessly, and that's no limit. So much, that capitalists have no idea how to structure payroll - giving a dev fair share would make them rich enough to stop working immediately - so things like "competitive salary (with respect to your location)" are a thing - just paying enough so that you can't be lured away by competitors.

But it's not the perspective I want to highlight. What's more important, is that value production in IT is so much distorted to benefit the capitalist instead of worker, that no matter how many unions you get in, how much you rob the system, you are collaborating with the bad guys at a scale that's just on different level. Yes, the payment is often empowering enough to do good things with extra cash, but that's the situation where taking care of ethics is more important than with "regular" jobs.

Same stuff could be said about finance and military tech, I guess. They scale madly too, just in different ways. So silly of me to get involved in all of these simultaneously.

I tried switching jobs to manual labor in the last month, but once people see my work history, they just freak out. I'd like to operate a mill or fix ignition electronics, but alas, they think I'll be bored. People do not understand. Mentally relax on a job to have fun later - what a dream.

[-] tofu@lemmy.nocturnal.garden 7 points 2 weeks ago

I know there's some mostly anarchist tech coops in my country but even they are competing in a capitalist society. It's still important to have these, kind of as a preparation for better times, but the economic framework surrounding them still sucks.

I think autonomic is kind of international, maybe getting in touch helps you, I think they have a matrix channel as well.

When we are recruiting for increased worker membership we will make a post on our blog. If you are interested in joining Autonomic but we are not currently recruiting, you are still welcome to send us your CV at boop@autonomic.zone.

https://autonomic.zone/about/

[-] alzymologist@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 weeks ago

All that said, I've joined these guys recently https://patio.coop/ - you might find some team that's aligned with you.

Things are not exactly hot there, but it's the best lead I have right now. And sure upon joining, I immediately typed "anarch" in search window in their team chat and yeah, there is one political channel with very clearly defined topic.

After running mine for a long time I find the concept too formal of an organization - the best approach IMO would be to hold really tiny 1-5 person teams as cooperatives and share franchise/brand/reputation/network effects. Binding people to one group, pretty much exclusively, limits possibilities a lot - and redistributes responsibilities in a way that might be harmful and demotivating for less active members.

Ideally, every wizard should have a tower and a village, then they join their strengths as needed, submitting to none.

[-] alzymologist@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 weeks ago

It's not Estonia, it's the world. I've been running one of these in Finland for 5 years (yeah, with our burn rate), but things just degrade - can't land any jobs now, it seems EU is funneling cash into the wars and all the capitalist thieves benefiting from it (I tried getting into supply chain, after all, there seem to be clear good guys and bad guys - but good guys are behind thieving government wall, so they just can't pay), and US is just jerking off to their king. Trade is dead and something is about to happen, but my cooperative degraded into 2 people now, and maybe some who would return if I can feed everyone when something happens.

I've been doing lots of tech jobs for crypto people, as long as they keep doing liberal things, we kind of align. But they divided between those who can barely pay anything and those who lost last shreds of ethical behavior. Either way, I'm kind of known person in those circles and that does not help.

I tried to find some activists who might be willing to commission some work (as I said, I did some military things, sure there would be socialist liberals who need hardware and have some resources to help me stay afloat and build things), but no luck so far.

So it's some global issue. I'm trying to ground now, get in touch with local community and build something out of it, more gift economy kind of vibe and screw them money if capitalists want to just rob us all. But really I'm as lost as you are, no matter how world class professional I am at what I do. Still, we need to hold onto our connections. My contact is in user profile.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

but how do you do that in an environment where those ideas aren’t widespread?

You don't.

You are trying to escape the capitalist mode of production... but, unfortunately, there is nowhere for you to escape to.

Some people do, of course, get to live an "activist lifestyle" - but those are people who have the necessary privilege to do so. Something tells me you don't have it - if you did, there'd be no need for you to ask on here, would there?

[-] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 weeks ago

Would it be possible to become apprenticed in a trade, like an electrician, then when you are a journeyman, create your own electrician cooperative? I don't know if there is much of a market in Estonia for solar, but a coop that installs solar or wind power sounds pretty anarchist (or solarpunk) to me :)

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