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[-] pyre@lemmy.world 41 points 5 days ago
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[-] victorz@lemmy.world 62 points 5 days ago

People in this thread who aren't web devs: "web devs are just lazy"

Web devs: Alright buddy boy, you try making a web site these days with the required complexity with only HTML and CSS. 😆 All you'd get is static content and maybe some forms. Any kind of interactivity goes out the door.

Non web devs: "nah bruh this site is considered broken for the mere fact that it uses JavaScript at all"

[-] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 18 points 4 days ago

It's not about using js or not, it's about failing gracefully. An empty page instead of a simple written article is not acceptable.

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

An empty page isn't great, I would indeed agree with that.

[-] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

A lot of this interactivity is complete bullshit, especially on sites that are mostly just for static data like news articles or blog posts, the JS is there for advertisement and analytics and social media, tracking and other bullshit.

The fastest and smoothest websites are usually personal blogs of software engineers, no ads, no social media, no tracking, no pointless comments threads and no gimmicky UI animations, just text and images and if they do add interactive components it's usually done in a good way

[-] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

News site dev here. I’ll never build a site for this company that relies on js for anything other than video playback (yay hls patents, and they won’t let me offer mp4 as an alternative because preroll pays our bills, despite everyone feeling entitled to free news with no ads)

[-] owsei@programming.dev 10 points 4 days ago

That site is literally just static content. Yes JS is needed for interactivity, but there's none here

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[-] _stranger_@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

I'll take an API and a curl call over JavaScript any day of the week.

[-] a_baby_duck@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

If I didn't input it myself with a punch card I refuse to run it.

[-] _stranger_@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I unironically use Lynx from my home lab s when I'm ssh'd in snce it's headless. Sometimes at work I miss the simplicity. I used to use Pine for Gmail as well. 😁

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

😆 that do be what they sound like

[-] Frostbeard@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago

Stop, can only get so erect. Give me that please than the bullshit I have to wade trough today to find information. When is the store open. E-mailadress/phone. Like fuck if I want to engage

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[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Ehhhhh it kinda' depends. Most things that are merely changing how something already present on the page is displayed? Probably don't need JS. Doing something cool based on the submit or response of a form? Probably don't need JS. Changing something dynamically based off of what the user is doing? Might not need JS!

Need to do some computation off of the response of said form and change a bunch of the page? You probably need JS. Need to support older browsers simply doing all of the previously described things? Probably need JS.

It really, really depends on what needs to happen and why. Most websites are still in the legacy support realm, at least conceptually, so JS sadly is required for many, many websites. Not that they use it in the most ideal way, but few situations are ideal in the first place.

A lot of this is just non-tech savvy people failing to understand the limitations and history of the internet.

(this isn't to defend the BS modern corporations pull, but just to explain the "how" of the often times shitty requirements the web devs are dealing with)

[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

Virtually any form validation besides the basics HTML provides is enough to require JS, and input validation (paired with server-side validation ofc) saves both user frustration and bandwidth

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[-] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 days ago

it sounds like you're saying there's an easy solution to get websites that don't have shit moving on you nonstop with graphics and non-content frames taking up 60% of the available screen

it's crazy that on a 1440p monitor, I still can't just see all the content I want on one screen. nope, gotta show like 20% of it and scroll for the rest. and even if you zoom out, it will automatically resize to keep proportion, it won't show any of the other 80%

I'm not a web dev. but I am a user, and I know the experience sucks.

if I'm looking at the results of a product search and I see five results at a time because of shitty layout, I just don't buy from that company

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[-] puppinstuff@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 days ago

I can do it but it’s hard convincing clients to double their budget for customers with accessible needs they’re not equipped to support in other channels.

That being said, my personal sites and projects all do it. And I’m thankful for accessible website laws where I’m from that make it mandatory for companies over a certain size to include accessible supports that need to work when JS is disabled.

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[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 76 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Skill issue - on the devs side.

A lot of pages even fail if you only disable 3rd-party scripts (my default setting on mobile).

I consider them broken, since the platform is to render a Document Object Model; scripting is secondary functionality and having no fallbacks is bad practice.
Imagine if that were a pdf/epub.

[-] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 34 points 5 days ago

wild thing is that with modern css and local fonts (nerdfonts, etc), you can make a simple page with a modern grid and nested css without requiring a single third party library or js.

devs are just lazy.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago

Devs are lazy but also product people and design request stuff that even modern CSS cannot do

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 16 points 5 days ago

devs are just lazy.

*cost-efficient. At this point it's a race to the bottom.

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[-] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 34 points 5 days ago

because modern webdevs cant do anything without react

[-] fxdave@lemmy.ml 21 points 5 days ago

I'm a webdev. I agree. I like react.

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[-] limer@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago

I think the best web page is a photo with a page of paper of handwriting : several photos if one has a lot to say.

Today’s bandwidth and powerful computers can easily handle it

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[-] RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works 15 points 5 days ago

I have 13 sites whitelisted to allow JS. The internet is fairly usable for me without JS.

[-] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Yes.

Many people won't even know what we're talking about; to them it's like saying "the sheer amount of websites that are unusable without HTML". But I use uBlock Origin in expert mode and block js by default; this allows me to click on slightly* fishy links without endangering my setup or immediately handing my data over to some 3rd party.

So I'm happy to see news websites that do not require js at all for a legible experience, and enraged that others even hide the fucking plain text of the article behind a script. Even looking at the source code does not reveal it. And I'm not talking about paywalls.


* real fishy links go into the Tor browser, if I really want to see what's behind them.

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