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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by mfat@lemdro.id to c/linux@lemmy.ml

A few years ago we were able to upgrade everything (OS and Apps) using a single command. I remember this was something we boasted about when talking to Windows and Mac fans. It was such an amazing feature. Something that users of proprietary systems hadn't even heard about. We had this on desktops before things like Apple's App Store and Play Store were a thing.

We can no longer do that thanks to Flatpaks and Snaps as well as AppImages.

Recently i upgraded my Fedora system. I few days later i found out i was runnig some older apps since they were Flatpaks (i had completely forgotten how I installed bitwarden for instance.)

Do you miss the old system too?

Is it possible to bring back that experience? A unified, reliable CLI solution to make sure EVERYTHING is up to date?

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[-] ulu_mulu@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The solution is using a distro that has support for containers (flatpaks preferably) but doesn't force them on you, so far I haven't found a single use case in which they're truly needed on desktop so apt update still does everything for me.

There's some software that I compile myself (emulators), it cannot be upgraded with a packet manager but that has always been the case.

I use Linux MX but there are other distros with the same approach. It also makes it really easy to see if you're installing them because flatpak is a separated repository from non-container apps (I think it's also updated by the package manager but I haven't tried so far).

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[-] trollercoaster@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Your mileage may vary, but it's still possible to install some distros without those nonsensical containerised "package managers", or to at least remove them after installation. It unfortunately takes an increasing amount of effort, especially in distros that are actively trying to push their flavour of containerised package manager. (Totally not looking at Ubuntu and Snap)

What is working in our favour here is the fragmentation, which will prevent, or at least slow down a too widespread adoption of those systems.

[-] bremen15@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago

I can still do that, because I understood that problem when it arose.

[-] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

On Mint everything updates automatically for me, Flatpaks and all.

[-] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

This is one of the reasons i don't use flatpaks, snaps etc. I get everything either from the official repos or from the aur. Except balena etcher as it is the only thing i was unable to install via my aur helper and i couldn't be bothered to look into why as balena is not that important to me.

It is the ONLY package that isn't updated with my update command as i installed it via appimage

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[-] Discover5164@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

you could use topgrade to update, and it will generally update with every package manager available.

[-] Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

This is why I really like KDE Plasma's discover. It's got integrations with apt, snap, Flatpack, and rpm, and that's only the ones I've tried so far.

I don't really use discover itself to manage my packages, cause for some reason I prefer to do it with the cli tools, but it is a great update notifier.

[-] mfat@lemdro.id 4 points 1 year ago

Except it doesn't always work. I've seen it stuck and loading updates forever a few times, while a simple flatpak update command did the job with zero issues.

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[-] beteljuice@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Check out Nix, which goes in the opposite direction. There isn't really a distinction between the system and applications.

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[-] WindowsEnjoyer@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

On Arch Linux I've migrated away from Flatpaks, so I only use AUR and official repos.

Oh boy my updates speed increased like 3 to 5 times. Flatpak is slow as fuck.

Also my ISP is slow as fuck.

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[-] gbrlsnchs@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago

Well, that's Fedora, my friend. On Gentoo it's still the same.

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