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It would be preferable if they were hosted in either Czechia or Spain mew.
Specially knowing how anti-immigration policies, criminalisation of pro-palestinian movements and the current ascendance of fascism...
Could you say more about why Czechia and Spain would be preferable?
I wouldn't check that high level before asking which hoster they use.
I trust Europ but not AWS, GCP, and Azure less.
I suspect Hetzner since they specifically mentioned Germany and not a region like "eu-west" like other hosting providers such as Azure.
Germanyās returning back to full fascism, with overt state surveillance. This is bad news.
Well . . . at least it's not in the US . . . ?
You donāt think the EU and US are sharing surveillance data?
I'm sure they do. Do you self-host your email? I'm not smart or patient enough to do that, so I have to trust someone, unfortunately.
If you self-host it, youĀ“re actually more open to lesser vector of attack, since I really doubt you will go into building robust security solutions with your personal IP. That includes local law enforcement or criminal elements just taking your server.
The US and EU are tight-knit allies in empire. The US Empire has hegemony, sure, but the EU is still a willing participant in imperialism. They are all millitary allies through NATO, they share data. If you live in the west, the west having data on you is what can harm you.
There are no asia-based email services of comparison to the european private ones unfortunately. Fast mail but that's 5-eyes.
Germany where support for Palestine and opposition to the genocide are considered antisemitism.
Womp womp. I support Palestine but how is this related?
Just look at feddit
In Germany, antisemitism is specifically sanctioned in German criminal law, both for speech and as a motivation for other criminal behavior. In addition, Germany seeks to protect the Jewish state of Israel (the so-called āReason of Stateā introduced in 2008) and thus verges toward protecting Zionism as well. Certain criticism of Israel/Israelis is also categorized as āIsrael-related antisemitismā. Since criminal law is involved, enforcement can mean things like police raids and device confiscations. After such police action, it does not really matter if it was appropriate or if cases are dropped or never charged: The damage is done.
YouĀ“re technically a criminal in their eyes, and hence if they decide to boost their dictatorship into looking for the people donĀ“t like, they will have legal basis to order for the server databases and fuck you up....
Give it a name that tells you about the features, don't call it pro. Yuck.
I read through the brief article but I didn't see anything about email masks (or email aliases if you want to look at it that way). Firefox provides masks, they work well and are useful. I could see thunderbird adding that as part of the subscription service, since Mozilla is already doing it anyway.
I wouldn't trust mozilla with my data. Once the google funding runs out they quickly need to find new money sources and with their recent actions, I already know where they will look for them.
I thought Thunderbird was an independent entity? Its still a subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation but not directly a part of Mozzila such as Firefox or any of their other products. So stritcly speaking your data is with Thunderbied and not Mozilla.
this is at least how i understood their relation.
Yes, MZLA is different then Mozilla Corp. Itās still under the Mozilla Foundation, but separate from Mozilla Corp.
All kerfuffle about Germany aside, I'm at least interested to see where they go with this since I feel like Proton is kind of resting on its laurels as well as continuing to treat Linux users as second class citizens (I also had longstanding issues with Tuta, too long to go into here, but which would probably not effect most of its users).
Maybe they can find a way to host from the Moon šbefore the Chinese šØš³ colonize it š.
I think this is cool and will make it easier for the average person to move away from the big tech providers that do the most damage to privacy.
Is one of those features not taking 2-3 minutes to start and removing the need for it to sync the entire email account over 5 - 10 minutes after loading? I like the program, but itās clunky and slow. Couldnāt see paying for āproā if thatās the finished product.
That's fine, I'll just silently treat the Thundermail users in the same way I treat people who use AI to write mail replies.
That seems a bit extreme
I'm OK with that just as much as I'm OK with random internet strangers downvoting me without bothering to even question my reasoning. To add fuel to the fire I'm happy to report that I look down upon GAFAM-mail users in general as well! š
What's your reason for treating Thunderbird users like that?
Thundermail, not Thunderbird.
What's wrong with that?
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