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Iran shows how it can happen (piefed.cdn.blahaj.zone)

I've not checked the legitimacy of the photo, but the premise is important to note

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[-] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 125 points 1 week ago

When Margaret Atwood wrote the Handmaids Tale she made sure not to include anything that hadn't actually happened in recorded history. A lot of plot points were taken from this situation.

[-] paraphrand@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago

Wow. I didn’t know that.

[-] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago

I can't find the interview where she speaks in depth about Iran, it was important for the novel because it was a situation where women experienced going from modern equality to having absolutely no rights.

In this interview she briefly mentions Ayatollah Khomeini (the leader of the Iranian Revolution that created a theocracy and removed women's rights), but she's going over dozens of newspaper clippings of other events that inspired the story.

https://www.penguin.co.uk/discover/articles/margaret-atwood-handmaids-tale-testaments-real-life-inspiration

[-] RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago

That was a nice read. Now i'm interested in checking out the series.

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 6 points 1 week ago

The TV show isnt as good as the books

[-] rezad@lemmy.world 80 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I am from Iran. whatever point you want to make about Iran with Pahlavi dictatorship, this aint it.

the parliament in Pahlavi era was literary just rubber stamp the king orders.

when shah (king) came back with help of CIA it reversed all the mashroote (conditional monarchy) progress and became a absolute dictatorship.

Iranian women condition are way better now than under Pahlavi (outside of dress code laws).

sorry to hear about trump fucking up your rights.

[-] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 49 points 1 week ago

Worth pointing out, these photos you see of women in pre-revolutionary Iran are a very tiny percentage of urban, professional, women of the ruling class at the time. These photos are not universally representative of women's lives in Iran in that period

[-] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago

Excellent point. You could say the same thing about places like Dubai and Saudi Arabia.

And some rural places in America.

Society does the oppression before the government does. Anywhere religion is used to oppress women's rights.

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[-] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 week ago

Or, you know, getting stoned in public, or never having equal rights in cases of rape or infidelity.

Not saying it was better under Pahlavi, but it certainly is not equal now.

[-] rezad@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

in my whole life living in iran the only stoning I saw was on a American drama movie about stoning a woman in Iran.

"equal rights in cases of rape" ?? what? you know Iran has one of the harshest punishment for rape which unfortunately they only define as rape of women (not men). so maybe you are a mens' rights activist in iran??

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[-] Juice@midwest.social 7 points 1 week ago

Good thing propaganda doesn't work on you, you might have some pretty weird ideas

[-] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

Propaganda works on everyone. Especially those who think it does not.

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[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

My state in the US kept a brain dead woman alive to use her as an incubator. Glass houses and all.

[-] DistrictSIX@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 week ago

Even the rubber stamp parliament of the Shah had less women. Ffs, women gained the right to vote only in 1967! And there are currently 17 women in the Iranian parliament. Abysmal, but still far ahead of the era in the picture. That's not even mentioning the extremely low levels of education among women pre-revolution. Don't fall for this kind of propaganda, there's more to women's rights than getting to wear mini skirts as an urban elite. Women are still fighting for equal rights in Iran, and they are still far from reaching that goal. But don't think that they haven't made progress since the time of the picture.

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Not relevant to politics, but: I've been watching Youtube videos from Iran on the food, and holy crap does abgoosh/dizi (sp?) look incredible. I bought some dried whole limes to try making it myself but haven't gotten around to it yet.

[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

There is a "hijab = oppression" idea in here. People were bullying eastern women living in US for wearing hijab at some point.

"Womens' rights is when we force them to dress western."

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[-] hushable@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

In my country there's a guy running for president who wants to revoke women's right to vote. He is not super popular in the pools, but for some mad reason both my sisters support him.

edit: I'm keeping the typo

[-] RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 week ago

What is the mad reasoning? I'm curious.

[-] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago

"aww, but he is a nice leopard! So we'll spoke, so handsome. He wouldn't eat my face"

[-] hushable@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

one doesn't believe he will actually do it, the other one, idk

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

At a guess... propaganda?

[-] wieson@feddit.org 16 points 1 week ago

not super popular in the pools

Now I'm imagining old ladies in swim caps treading water and talking smack

[-] hushable@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

I'm keeping the typo just because your comment made me laugh, thanks, I needed it

[-] DistrictSIX@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago

The current secretary of defense of the US just made a post arguing for revoking women's right to vote, among other things. The supposed leader of 'the free world'. And the Europeans still call Trump daddy.

We'll probably be looking at pictures of US women in a couple of decades and wondering how it could turn into a shit hole.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago

because the united snake and the British destroyed it's democracy

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago
[-] Homesnatch@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

The entire thing started because Iran wanted to wrestle control of their oil back from British Petroleum. The British convinced the US that Iran was going to join forces with Russia.

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[-] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

Don't forget that August 28th is women's equality day, the day that the nineteenth amendment was certified, giving women the right to vote.

[-] Canconda@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Considering people don't turn out to vote anyways; they should move it to October 28th to remind people that it wasn't until 1974 women were allowed to get bank accounts without their husband/father thanks to the Equal Credit Opportunity Act.

I'd like to see how many women who say they're fine losing their right to vote would also be okay with not having their own bank account.

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[-] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

Ok, but does anybody really think that women's rights can't get rolled back under a religious autocracy?

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 10 points 1 week ago

Right women?

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 10 points 1 week ago

No. The person in the tweet just wanted to post a cliché "women in 1970s Iran" picture, and needed a caption to go with it.

[-] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

Religious doctrination is the strongest influence towards radical acceptance of certain principles. Too bad if God was real he would hate you pieces of shits.

[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Have you heard of a place called Senegal? They didn't even need fundamentalist psychopaths. They just had the IMF rewrite their laws after a bad loan and now women carry buckets of water on their heads for miles instead of attending university. (Haven't read up on it in 20 years, could be out of date)

[-] guy@piefed.social 5 points 1 week ago

Are they required to do so by law?

[-] thedruid@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

No need to. I have national Geographics from that time showing this exact type of image.

Iran was a more progressive place in the seventies.

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[-] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 week ago

What is this post even about, Iran still has female parliamentarians and female commissioners and even female ministers sometimes.

They are a counterintuitive leftist-islamist hybrid, they are also Shia and most of your stereotypes about Islam are from Sunnis.

The rights that have been rolled back are about clothing, which doesn't radically differ from West-approved Saudi Arabia or new Syria.

Saying that Iran is more democratic than the USA might be an overstatement, but I'm not sure it's much less.

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[-] okamiueru@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Unfortunate that it was the pro USA party that wanted to get rid of women's rights. Unfortunate that USA has had a habit of overthrowing governments that want good things for their people. Unfortunate that social media nowadays makes it a lot cheaper to manipulate voters towards right policies, and this is happening everywhere. Fucking sucks.

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[-] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago

This is a picture from Afghanistan before 1970:

Lord that's depressing

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