Now John was clothed with camel’s hair and wore a leather belt around his waist and ate locusts and wild honey

Appreciate the commitment to use of the thorn, but you know þ and ð are different sounds, right?

"þrough ðe Earþ" etc.

Unrelated: why do you use "þ" instead of "th"? I've seen a few of your comments and it always trips me up.

I mean, Ancient Hebrew knowledge of the water cycle was non-existent, because of course it was. They also reference springs just kind of bringing up ocean water for no reason like depicted in this. This isn't like when they say "40" to mean a lot, and people claiming otherwise are probably selling something.

Well considering the main creation story in other nearby cultures at the time also say the world was originally all water, I’d imagine it isn’t so much symbolism as it is the fact that water falls from the sky occasionally and typically looks blue.

The Enūma Eliš mentions that originally there was just water. Much like the creation story in Genesis the gods eventually separate the waters and expose land. Also curiously, the story is recorded across seven tablets and has a few more similarities with Genesis and other aspects of Judaism like man being a fallen creature (though due to man being made from the corpse of an evil god or because the gods were worried, not due to women lol)

Also, the oldest creation story I’m aware of is The Sumerian Creation Myth which also references the “cosmic freshwater ocean” and says man lives in the lower region of this ocean. The noise of humanity annoys the main god so he sends the flood from the upper ocean. But one god warns a man of this so the man builds a boat and fills it with animals. Remind you of any bible story?

Point is that even the Torah is a likely derivative work combining more ancient myths from other cultures. Because the original cultures reference the waters more as an actual physical ocean in a non-symbolic way, Id say the Bible story was meant to be literal. Almost all symbolism derived from the stories therein is likely interpretation only.

I suppose the Hebrew scholars collecting these stories could have viewed them in a more symbolic way, but the first text I referenced is a few years younger than the Torah and still references oceans in a more physical way. So, I’d imagine their meanings were initially similar.

Ok, but clouds, damns, waters above, or sky oceans - why would anyone write down the sun & stars being in front of the clouds/sky river?

Wouldn't ppl reading that just like, you know, look up & go 'well that's not what I see, what else here is bs'?

Make sure it's bigger.

It's literally what happens in the story of Noah.

where does the air go?

Hmm. They had bellows, and knew what air is, so that's actually a period-appropriate question. Maybe Sheol can be pressurised, or maybe Noah just didn't notice the air getting thicker.

The rest is just a version of "what's outside the universe", which applies to real cosmology too.

Has the Waters above the firmament ocean a surface? And whats above that surface?

'How about we explore the area above that surface later?'

The firmament did open and leak. That's why we don't live as long as Methusaleh anymore, silly.

now

Now? No. Back then? Yes, the writing says so.

That is exactly why the "Floodgate" are here

gotem good

It should be fine. The copyright expired some thousand years ago.

takes wrong turn and ends up at Shul.

hope you brought stuff for the potluck