Me: Explains that anti-capitalist ideologies can be pro human rights. Lemmy.world Liberal: : libjerk

[-] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

If you don't support the right to corporations to practically enslave people in the global south, you hate human rights/the global poor A simplified character crossing their arms smugly

/uj God these people fucking suck so much. It's always interesting seeing how they tip-toe around the topic of imperialism/the third world, since their ideology relies on them being exploited; and it defeats their whole "human rights" façade.

To be honest i don't have place in my mental health to hate people on the internet anyway, but this is very annoying to see on lemmy.

[-] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

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[-] FundMECFS@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It sucks cuz I’m starting to feel lemmy is being really dominated by them. Like in the past I felt I could share anarchist views even on lemmy.world comms if I dont mind a bit of debate, but now the liberals outnumber so much that that doesn’t work anymore.

[-] Taalnazi@lemmy.world 32 points 3 weeks ago

I still share my anarchist views everywhere. Long live anarchocommunism!

[-] FundMECFS@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 3 weeks ago

🫡

[-] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Holy fuck, same. Honestly for the longest time i felt it was just me, basic leftist positions o would get downvoted to hell.

It's a shame, i wish we had more anarchist instances on lemmy. That's why i love dbzer0 and stick to it, but it can feel numbered and small sometimes.

[-] FundMECFS@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I’ve completed turned off vote counts because of this. I just scroll lemmy with votes hidden now. I have to say it’s a very different way to approach social media. Can’t tell if I’ll stick to it but interesting experiment.

[-] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago

I've tired tried that before :) i get heavy FOMO though, and always turn it back on, though. Even just displaying the total votes and hiding the downvotes/upvotes is FOMO to me lol.

I guess it's easier for a blåhaj user, though

[-] FundMECFS@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah very fair. I have that a bit aswell. It kinda feels like I’m yelling into a void when I don’t get the vote feedback.

Slowly trying to find a way to use lemmy that doesn’t get me stuck in a debate with a lib or a tankie every second comment …

[-] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago

I ""solved"" it, but only by trying to ignore politics altogether; obviously doesn't work much, since I like talking about politics :/

At least the (albeit brief) discussions on dbzer0 i have are sane, like the one we're having now without anybody ruining it immediately xd But as i said, they're always brief, and the communities are too small.

I hope our political/news communities expand more one day, or another anarchist instance gets spinned up :D

[-] FundMECFS@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 weeks ago

Glad you’ve worked it out. I should take inspiration:)

[-] SGforce@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago

I don't think it's .world users. It's the red fasch. Try posting progressive/leftist comments in an .ml thread and get pounced on by people screeching about how their brand of imperialist, hyper masculine fashion, rugged indvividualist authoritarianism is acktually the best kind of communism.

[-] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Why not both ¯\_0_/¯ I've learned not to poke either anymore, but in this case we're talking about LW; and they are incredibly hard to talk to about socialism/anti-imperialism. Usually you immediately get shut down by their already assumed prejudices/opinions of them.

I'd normally not mind much, but since they're the huge majority, so you have almost no choice but to discuss politics with them, specifically. At least with ML i can just avoid it easily (ymmv)

[-] SGforce@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago

I do, I do. I don't want to poke the hornet's nest or argue for no reason. It can be hard to log off sometimes when something so incredibly hypocritical gets posted.

[-] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago

Lol same. I try to not comment under political posts on lemmy, but sometimes i see something so hypocritical/blatantly wrong i just can't help it at all, i have to stir shit 😔

[-] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

In my experience with dealing with authoritarian or state communists, they act like their communism is the only communism. They believe that state violence is necessary to achieve freedom and equality, among other things, and that anybody who believes different is naive.

[-] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 3 weeks ago

uncategorized If you don't support liberalism you are against human rights, simple as.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 2 weeks ago

God if only the FBI would even defend liberalism

[-] buttnugget@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Simple as what? That’s what I’m not getting.

[-] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 25 points 3 weeks ago

This is someone whose reading into liberalism only went as far as reading the name.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 16 points 3 weeks ago

There is not nuance in this debate, they just don't know anything.

[-] ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 15 points 3 weeks ago

Lemmy.world news communities are shitholes

[-] ThorrJo@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 3 weeks ago

the Lemmy update which blocks an instance's users when you block an instance cannot fucking ship fast enough.

I might have migrated to PieFed by then though.

[-] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

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[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 2 weeks ago

Change the default value and defaultists will default to something else.

[-] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 7 points 3 weeks ago

https://www.anarchy.no/anrights.html

I liked this resource, I wonder if there are any others like it.

[-] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 weeks ago

Thank you for sharing this, i didn't hear of it before and it looks great!

[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Can you be a leftist liberal? 🤔

[-] FundMECFS@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 weeks ago

Liberalism is by definition capitalist. It’s what gave us capitalism. So unless you only follow the social aspects (ie. social liberalism), then I don’t think it can be truly leftist, as in anti-capitalist.

[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I see liberals more as social group than a capitalist one. The "free market" shit is tacked on by rich neolibs working the other side of the fence

[-] FundMECFS@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

I mean liberalism is by definition capitalist.

But I understand the usage of the word, especially in the US in recent times, has tended to mean something more akin to center-left.

[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

It's not defined as capitalist it has a bit thrown in for "government don't fuck with my money" which rich people(neolibs) use as a shield

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 weeks ago

"centre-left" in the US of course meaning "vaguely remembers being told nazis aren't good" in the rest of the world

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