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[-] JakenVeina@midwest.social 49 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

you write it in a special programming language, which is basically English, which describes how you want to see this application in a very specified way

A derivative of English, with different syntax and rules to help eliminate ambiguities? We in the industry tend to call that "code".

[-] azolus@slrpnk.net 22 points 5 days ago

This is how cobol was created

This kind of seems like a solution in search of a problem. Most modern high level programming languages are easily readable, 'english oriented', and already capable of at least some level of cross platform development.

One of the main problems with any programing language or framework is that flexibility breeds complexity. If they seriously think they're going to lower the complexity of programming by allowing devs to write programs [essentially] in plain English, and then let AI do the rest, I think it's a recipe for disappointment.

I don't have high hopes for it to be actually useful. They already have Kotlin, which feels like a playground for language designers.

[-] expr@programming.dev 2 points 5 days ago

Yeah... Kotlin is an unreadable nightmare.

[-] squaresinger@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

It's the "I'm scared of brackets" crowd again.

[-] Michal@programming.dev 7 points 6 days ago

This kind of seems like a solution in search of a problem

Not like it's a bad things. A lot of inventions started this way.

[-] a1studmuffin@aussie.zone 22 points 6 days ago

But also, a lot of programming languages exist simply because a programmer really wanted to write a programming language.

[-] Michal@programming.dev 1 points 5 days ago

Yes, and it's good that programming languages are still experimented with, otherwise we'd still be writing assembly.

[-] 6nk06@sh.itjust.works 22 points 5 days ago

which is basically English, which describes how you want to see

It will be a mix between Basic and Cobol. I like what JetBrains do, but that's a stupid idea.

[-] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago

I'm guessing it'll be closer to bytecode, since they're very java focused.

[-] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 days ago

Nobody writes byte code directly.

[-] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

That is not what I said.

They're designing a language that supposedly writes like English. Why would you not compile English straight to bytecode? Since they made Kotlin run in the jvm, they're likely gonna make this run on the jvm as well. They could make another intermediate language, but they could also make an advances interpreter or compiler that compiles english straight to bytecode. Nobody needs to read or write that, they reading and wrting English.

Also, yes they do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbNv6rdYJL0
Maybe not many and even less do it proffesionally, but its not none

[-] tavernusmaximus@piefed.social 29 points 6 days ago

The language is in the works but JetBrains has not revealed a timeline for general availability at this point.

Won’t hold my breath for this ever shipping.

Assuming there will be an LLM involved because that’s what seems to be all AI is these days. How on earth they plan to get reproducible builds from this thing is beyond me (suppose that’s one reason I don’t work for JetBrains).

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It sounds like it uses similar ideas to Amazon Kiro. Many of the advancements in “vibe coding” tools are focused on ways to put consistent, coherent bumpers on AI output.

[-] nebeker@programming.dev 3 points 6 days ago

Surely through an intermediate - real - language?

[-] mx_smith@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago
[-] apftwb@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

That's a long list of words I have never heard of. I do like how SQL somehow fits the bill of a 4GL.

[-] hornywarthogfart@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It makes sense, you aren't telling sql server how to do something, you just tell it what you want and it figures it out. You aren't even doing procedural stuff at that point.

I like the RAD tools being qualified as 4GLs as I haven't really thought of them that way but again it makes sense.

Also screw PowerBuilder. I am sorry if anyone in this thread likes it...but it is seriously awful.

Edit: Before people jump me, I do know that you have some influence over execution plans with join orders, hints, etc.. but by and large you don't tell SQL Server how to do it's job.

[-] mx_smith@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Never used Power Builder, but used to touch Pro4 and Pega Systems in different jobs. They were both middle manager programming UI’s

[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 5 days ago

Another chatgpt wrapper sold as gold subscription.

That's my bet.

[-] AnotherPenguin@programming.dev 14 points 6 days ago

Do they really need it when kotlin exists?

[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 1 points 5 days ago

What they are aiming for (not agreeing, just explaining) is a language that you can use to ask AI to do things for you.

The idea is that you do not have to do the nuts and bolts programming (the AI will do that) but at the same time you have more deterministic control over what the AI does.

So “higher level” than our highest level languages now.

[-] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago
[-] JackLSauce@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago

Yep!

developing a new programming language intended to make AI and code much more controllable and transparent

Don't worry, no details on how a language would achieve that

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 2 points 5 days ago

The idea is that the programming language is closer to natural language, which is what LLMs do best.

[-] JackLSauce@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

I read that part. It's just that isn't really a proposal on "how" and more a tagline of every high level programming language since the 80s, including the AI all-star, Python

[-] CsJ5NPkuvE@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 days ago

"JetBrains is exploring how to make this new language a derivative from Kotlin, but Skrygan believes the derivative should be English."

That sounds like (Visual) Basic. It looks like English but it's basically pseudo-code.

I'm happy letting AI and my language server write all the extra annotations for Rust, i've no trouble reading them. I have much more trouble when types and usage specifiers/limiters are missing.

[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 2 points 5 days ago

They need to call it COBOL. A language regular business people can use!

[-] gramie@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 days ago

This makes me think of Inform, which compiles English sentences into interactive fiction.

[-] Colloidal@programming.dev 2 points 6 days ago

“So instead of writing three applications, you write it in a special programming language, which is basically English, which describes how you want to see this application in a very specified way, and then AI agents, together with JetBrains tooling, will generate the code of all of these platforms,” Skrygan said.

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