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Pakistan police on Friday said a father shot dead his daughter after she refused to delete her account on popular video-sharing app TikTok.

In the Muslim-majority country, women can be subjected to violence by family members for not following strict rules on how to behave in public, including in online spaces.

"The girl's father had asked her to delete her TikTok account. On refusal, he killed her," a police spokesperson told AFP.

According to a police report shared with AFP, investigators said the father killed his 16-year-old daughter on Tuesday "for honor." He was subsequently arrested.

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[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 188 points 1 month ago

It's insane how twisted in the head you have to be to think that killing your daughter is the honorable thing to do!
Religion is harmful to both individuals and society. Extreme religion is extremely harmful to both individuals and society.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 86 points 1 month ago

Note: There is exactly zero religion involved in honor killings; this is a 100% cultural act. Here are some choice quotes from Wikipedia:

Honor killings are primarily associated with the Middle East, the Maghreb and the Indian subcontinent, but they are also rooted in other societies, such as the Philippines, Northern Caucasus, Latin America, East Africa, and historically in Mediterranean Europe.

In French culture, stories about such homicides were romanticized and featured prominently in French literature of the 19th century, and "In literature as in life, unconventional women needed to be severely punished lest their defiant attitudes inspire further acts of rebellion".[33] In Corsica, there was a strong custom of vendetta, which required Corsicans to murder anyone who wronged their family honor. Between 1821 and 1852 approximately 4,300 vendetta killings were perpetrated in Corsica.[34] France also had a strong culture of dueling meant to uphold honor, and France was called by the National Geographic "the dueling capital of Europe".[35]

Though it may seem in a modern context that honor killings are tied to certain religious traditions, the data does not support this claim.[95][93] Research in Jordan found that teenagers who strongly endorsed honor killings in fact did not come from more religious households than teens who rejected it.[93] The ideology of honor is a cultural phenomenon that does not appear to be related to religion, be it Middle Eastern or Western countries, and honor killings likely have a long history in human societies which predate many modern religions.[96] In the US, a rural trend known as the "small-town effect" exhibits elevated incidents of argument-related homicides among white males, particularly in honor-oriented states in the South and the West, where everyone "knows your name and knows your shame." This is similarly observed in rural areas in other parts of the world.

Provocation in English law and related laws on adultery in English law, as well as Article 324 of the French penal code of 1810 were legal concepts which allowed for reduced punishment for the murder committed by a husband against his wife and her lover if the husband had caught them in the act of adultery.[101] On 7 November 1975, Law no. 617/75 Article 17 repealed the 1810 French Penal Code Article 324. The 1810 penal code Article 324 passed by Napoleon was copied by Middle Eastern Arab countries. It inspired Jordan's Article 340 which permitted the murder of a wife and her lover if caught in the act at the hands of her husband (today the article provides for mitigating circumstances).[102] France's 1810 Penal Code Article 324 also inspired the 1858 Ottoman Penal Code's Article 188, both the French Article 324 and Ottoman article 188 were drawn on to create Jordan's Article 340 which was retained even after a 1944 revision of Jordan's laws which did not touch public conduct and family law;[103][104][105] article 340 still applies to this day in a modified form.[102] France's Mandate over Lebanon resulted in its penal code being imposed there in 1943–1944, with the French-inspired Lebanese law for adultery allowing the mere accusation of adultery against women resulting in a maximum punishment of two years in prison while men have to be caught in the act and not merely accused, and are punished with only one year in prison.

-Wikipedia

So yeah, this is a big problem in many parts of the world and if your reaction to innocent women losing their lives is to make a tired and irrelevant point, then please don't.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Funny then that when they move to another culture, and take it with them, it is always muslims.

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 32 points 1 month ago

One of the core societal demands of the prophet Mohamed, blessings and peace be upon him, was to end the practice of burying daughters alive. At the time a daughter was considered a disgrace, so some pre-islamic Arabs murdered their daughters this way.

The Quran is also very explicit about the rights of women and the correct behavior towards them, something that is often ignored in societies that claim to be muslim, but evidently did not read much.

"OG Islam" is fundamentally opposed to femicide. Femicides aren't a religious but a cultural issue and prevalent outside of religious groups too.

[-] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 53 points 1 month ago

"Don't kill women" making "OG Islam" somehow "better" is a pretty low fucking bar.

Nearly all religion is a regressive cancer on society used as a scapegoat to do terrible things.

[-] bassomitron@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

That's ignoring their point, though. They are simply pointing out that the father in this article is not following the Quran, they're following some other twisted ideology that uses the Quran as an excuse, despite the source material explicitly telling them not to do this type of behavior.

As a side note, I'm not religious, and I do believe that organized religion has been the cause of horrible atrocities. I just think your response isn't really addressing what the other person was debating, but maybe I'm wrong.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 11 points 1 month ago

they're following some other twisted ideology that uses the Quran as an excuse,

Fun fact: The Quran doesn't feature into these, not even as an excuse. My reply to the parent comment has more details, but people who do these vile acts take "honor violations warrant death" to be an axiom on its own, just as a birthday warrants a celebration and a sick family member warrants a visit. I mean, there's a reason the words "Islam" and "religion" feature exactly 0 times in the article.

[-] nao@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

To be fair, the article does start of with referring to Pakistan as "Muslim-majority country". This is probably where the association came from.

[-] worldistracist@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 month ago

What? That's not what a scapegoat is, idiot

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[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Muhammad wanting to save all the young girls? For himself?

[-] 6nk06@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

fundamentally opposed to femicide

That's not what the official guidebook says though. You can lie or be in denial, but we can read.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 8 points 1 month ago

I mean... no? Like, like it or hate it the Quran is pretty clear about this. If you disagree, then give me a verse number.

[-] 6nk06@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

lol. Even scholars agree that its full of misogynistic bullshit that should be read in a symbolic way. Nice try though but we've had this debate for decades.

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[-] Schmoo@startrek.website 60 points 1 month ago

Doesn't anyone find the recent uptick in articles about Islamic fundamentalist crimes odd? There are billions of people in the world and these sorts of things happen frequently, yet they rarely receive non-local news coverage. It seems to me like the media is capitalizing on rising Islamophobia (due to the escalating conflicts in the Middle East) by releasing sensational articles about Islamic extremism, which has the effect of drumming up more Islamophobic hate. When crimes like this are committed in the US by Christians the media tends to blame mental illness.

[-] McDropout@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

I mean a white christian german man killed an algerian med student in Germany 3 days ago and we don’t see much news about it.

Murder of Algerian woman in Germany prompts protests, calls for justice

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah, I have no idea why CBS is reporting on this Pakistan stuff. I don't need to hear about murders in random countries.

PS: 1000 people are murdered every day all over the world. Roughly 30% of those are intrafamilial.

[-] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 4 points 1 month ago

Probably prepping for a global genocide

[-] Flamekebab@piefed.social 37 points 1 month ago

A family with a child murderer as its head is obviously more honourable than the alternative. Morons.

[-] DrDystopia@lemy.lol 36 points 1 month ago

They call it "honour killings" but it sure is a disgrace...

[-] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Honour is just their excuse, of course - it's really just about controlling women. These weak fuckers feel their control slipping and their go-to is murder.

[-] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 4 points 1 month ago

Anyone who can do that to their daughter on a whim, I simpy can't see as human.

[-] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 month ago

She probably thought it was toss up to be murdered immediately and quickly or suffer a slow death by daily anti-women injustices. She was dead anyway for simply having a brain as well as a vagina.

[-] darthsidious 14 points 1 month ago

I'd say it was because she had both a brain and vagina at the same time. Patriarchy supporters go insane when they're forced to realize women can use their brains.

[-] HuskerNation@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Can we all agree that every religion is cancer

[-] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 11 points 1 month ago
[-] HuskerNation@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 month ago
[-] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 4 points 1 month ago

Actually humanity is cancer. Let's all self destruct and let animals lives peacefully

[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 3 points 1 month ago

I think the issue is the very foundation of religion leads to an "us vs them" mentality.

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[-] nebulaone@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Must have been one of those fanatic atheists again, right? They are evil and probably worship Satan. /s

[-] worldistracist@lemmy.cafe 4 points 1 month ago

Even he is less annoying than some stupid internet atheist

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[-] 5in1k@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 month ago

What a religion. God they’re poisonous.

[-] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

All religions are poisonous.

[-] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

What a fucknut

[-] worldistracist@lemmy.cafe 8 points 1 month ago

Imb4 a bunch of pigs starts whining about religions and suddenly care a lot about women rights when it comes to shitting on brown people.

Anything but to confront your own misoginy innit?

Sure, this event on the other side of the world is tragic or whatever, but isn't the real story here that my political opponents are bad people?

[-] worldistracist@lemmy.cafe 4 points 1 month ago

Given that those political opponents once uttered shit like "palestinians deserved it because they threat women badly", yes, yes they are.

But hey i'm sure you will remembet that girl when the US will bomb pakistan

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[-] BigBenis@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

When I think of somebody as a parent I tend to subconsciously assign them the traits of a loving, caring and well-meaning adult even if their actions are less than perfect. But in reality, any psychopath with functional sex organs can be a parent.

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[-] Zephorah@discuss.online 7 points 1 month ago

Insanity. Pure, unmitigated insanity.

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[-] Zacryon@feddit.org 5 points 1 month ago

Now tell me again about how peaceful religions are.

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