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[-] Pika@sh.itjust.works 68 points 3 weeks ago

I'm waiting for the EU to eventually say "Ok nevermind, this is clearly a company that isn't going to be compliant. If not compliant by X date this company will no longer be allowed to operate here"

Or a hella massive fine for blatant waste of regulators time plus non-compliance.

[-] timetraveller@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I’ve been saying for the past two years that Apple should stop doing business in the EU, but every time that I bring that up someone points out the manufacturer of the chip making machine is based in the EU therefore no one can pull out.

Gross.

[-] hamsterkill@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 3 weeks ago

EU is also the second largest economy after the US in the world. Vacating the region would cost way more than compliance.

[-] Rinox@feddit.it 13 points 3 weeks ago

the manufacturer of the chip making machine is based in the EU therefore no one can pull out

This has nothing to do with anything, really. It's not like, because I don't sell in the US I can't use American made steel or something.

The actual reason why Apple, and every other company, doesn't want to leave the EU (China for that matter) despite increasingly stringent regulations, it's because the EU represents a huge portion of their revenue and leaving would mean losing billions upon billions, all in the hopes of saving millions.

[-] Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Apple doesn’t buy those machines, TSMC does. Apple buys the chips from them.

So I don’t think ASML being in the EU would stop apple from pulling out.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 3 weeks ago

Why should Apple stop doing business in the EU that makes no sense. Why would they deliberately cut themselves off from a huge potential market.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

That's not happening.

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 45 points 3 weeks ago

Governments are going about this the wrong way. The problem isn’t with app stores. The problem is that you can’t install a different OS on your phone (or current Mac, or iPad).

[-] 0xD@infosec.pub 18 points 3 weeks ago

The problem is that the stock OS is a walled garden. No common user will flash their phone.

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

On machines where it's trivial to do so (such as pcs), how many real life users (as opposed to forum haunting online geeks) will install another os?

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

How many real life users are going to install software from somewhere other than the built in app store on their phone?

[-] imecth@fedia.io 2 points 3 weeks ago

Opening the phone to other app stores is just the first step. The second is letting the user choose an app store when they first start their phone similarly to how they already enforce browser choice.

[-] brrt@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago

-WhatsApp is now exclusive to the Meta iOS App Store.-

That many real life users.

[-] sem 1 points 3 weeks ago

It's not that trivial

[-] Rinox@feddit.it 12 points 3 weeks ago

The problem is that you don't own the right to use your own device the way you see fit, and are instead locked into systems you can't escape from.

You should be able to freely install the software you like, be that an OS, a third party app or even your own program, and you should be able to use all the features of your devices, freely, without being locked out due to the app or accessory not being first party.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 9 points 3 weeks ago

No one should have to have an IT degree just to have the software they want installed on their devices.

[-] Ugurcan@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

TBH Mac’s bootloader is pretty open so you can install whatever. There’s a nice distro named Asahi which you can spin up in like 5 minutes.

[-] Scrollone@feddit.it 7 points 3 weeks ago

The Mac bootloader (and for now, who knows about the future). But what about iPhones and iPads?

[-] JustARaccoon@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Why not both?

[-] DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 1 points 3 weeks ago

Last time I thought you could install Asahi on current Macs unless Apple started blocking that and I didn't know.

[-] Prox@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago

RtJ called it out years ago:

  1. Lie
  2. Cheat
  3. Steal
  4. Kill
  5. Win
    (everybody's doin' it)
[-] darksiderbun@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago
[-] ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

Exactly what I was thinking.

[-] romantired@shibanu.app 1 points 3 weeks ago

People are made that way, I don't understand why everyone hates corporations so much.

[-] Pirate@feddit.org 4 points 3 weeks ago

People aren't made that way, but competion incentivizes that.

Why oh why would people be against the very institutions where such behaviours are reinforced?

[-] ethicallysliced@lemmy.zip 17 points 3 weeks ago

Just let people sideload without a time limit, for fuck’s sake…

[-] 0xD@infosec.pub 15 points 3 weeks ago

Apple is a piece of shit company standing in the shadow of its past self.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 10 points 3 weeks ago

They have been this way from day 1. They called it "end to end control".

[-] RobotZap10000@feddit.nl 5 points 3 weeks ago

I smell a ten-figure fine cooking in the kitchen of the EU.

[-] DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

I don’t know. I understand some good devs are paying the price, but…

Here in US apps are allowed to external links. Before I was opening and app, subscribing and canceling in the seam month if I wanted

Now DAZN (sport streaming) is forcing users to give 30 days notice. So if you use for a day. You need to pay 2 months.

I would prefer to pay 30% more than 100% more to use DAZN for a single month.

[-] TwinTitans@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Oh the Trump playbook.

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