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Happy No-more-USA Day (lemmy.sdf.org)
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[-] atro_city@fedia.io 103 points 4 days ago

That's what all their guns are for, right? Not just for shooting minorities and kids, right?

[-] Colonel_Panic_@eviltoast.org 6 points 3 days ago

Whoa now. That's dangerously close to sounding reasonable. We don't do that here.

[-] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

I mean yes, but most of the gun owners in this country will rise up and stand on the side of tyranny.

...yeah. Yeah, i mean, totally. Yeah.

Aaaaaaaaaanyways, im super into pacifism now.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

It’s a great way to get arrested or killed, scare people away from resistance for fear of their safety, and embolden fascism by turning a constitutionally protected peaceful resistance into a domestic threat.

How many people with guns do you estimate it takes to overthrow the largest military in the world by force?

[-] kautau@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

One good guy with a 9mm is all it takes to take down a bad guy with 300 reaper drones

Dude the president just declared birthright citizenship illegal and deployed the mari!es to crack down on peaceful protests against ice blatant violating the 4th amemdment.

Nobody. Gives. A. Shit. About your fucking constitution.

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[-] Ileftreddit@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

The state necessarily has a monopoly on violence; it’s part of what makes it the State. But what choice do the People have when the power of the state is seized by a group determined to use that power against its own population? The USA is famously “invasion proof” but there is nothing in place to protect us from such abuse. The only response that could stop a protracted guerilla style resistance is the total dissolution of the senate and house with immediate emergency elections to replace 100% of the members

[-] Colonel_Panic_@eviltoast.org 5 points 3 days ago

Be careful though, emergency dissolution of the Senate is exactly how Palpatine gained power. There has to be a careful plan and new system ready to go and not just fall to the one person it shouldn't.

I know it's fiction, but just saying. Dissolving it is one thing, but having a coherent plan is another.

[-] Banana@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The monopoly on violence for the most part comes from the military, so the choice they have is a military coup. Problem is he's stacked the military with loyalists. But also what you said.

[-] meep_launcher@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago

I mean this is actually what the second amendment was for, it would be nice if the NRA said something.

If you go left enough you get your guns back.

He stacked military leadership with loyalists. It's still each and every individual soldiers responsibility to determine for themselves whether they will follow an order if they believe it to be unjust. Many in the military are Maga, but there will be many that would refuse such orders as well... Basically, I'm just trying to say the military isn't a hivemind. If orders came down to attack us citizens, I'd hope there'd be significant pushback throughout the ranks.

[-] icelimit@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Refuse an order, get court martialled despite all your rights, get dishobourably discharged and lose your livelihood, all for some people you dont know, and greatly negatively affect the lives of those you provide for.

[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 54 points 4 days ago

The only times americans revolted against their government was when americans were fighting to KEEP slavery. So I wouldnt get my hopes up.

[-] frog@feddit.uk 23 points 4 days ago

While this is true, the Million Man March was not supposed to be a peaceful protest. Malcolm X talked about how Martin Luther King's speech pacified what could have been a turning point in history.

Also the government has destroyed any positive movements but making laws indirectly making those movements illegal and killing leaders of any significant movement.

The anti marijuana laws is a great example of shutting down a hippie movement and any positive black groups at the time.

The killing of leaders is also particularly damaging because new leaders weren't able to trust people in their own organization. For example the man that killed Malcolm X was from his own movement. This created paranoia for people with in the movements.

[-] toppy@lemy.lol 7 points 3 days ago

Is it possible ? Can US americans revolt against their own government ?

[-] Onyxonblack@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Unfortunately probably not in this day and age. Cutting-edge identification AI and drone tech, and of course weaponry, will be used against the civilian population. It has all been subverted to oppress us and control us.

[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

No it's communism

[-] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 29 points 4 days ago

When in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.

We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security.

-United States Declaration of Independence

[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 12 points 4 days ago

The declaration really can't be highlighted like that. It undermines the gravity of the letter, but I understand people don't like to read.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed.

Essentially, they say that people are willing to endure suffering for the sake of not having to change their lives. But Then it follows that with

But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism

When all people can no longer ignore that the government is forcing everything to have an absolute ruler, the people will come to the conclusion that the government must end by force.

While a lot of people agree with this, it's not enough. When I go to work, everyone is still going about their day like nothing has really changed. Too many people still have shelter, food, and medicine. That's about to change now. And when people experience that, that is the time they will overthrow.

The reason they want revolutionary violence to occur earlier than later is because they still have the opportunity to turn the most brain washed against the rest of us.

[-] yagurlreese@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

omg guys calm down holy fuck. I swear to God progressive and leftists are the masters of infighting, I wish we could not squabble like this. whatever anyone is doing is good, I know it comes from a good place but we've got to stop all this incessant bitter. people on the right go along with whatever batshit insane plan their chosen lunatics shovel out, while we debate about semantics and methods lmao

[-] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 31 points 4 days ago

My guess is that their revolt will be similar as the recent Chinese and Russian ones.

The civil war that follows isn't even the difficult part.

The difficult part is coming up with a vision for the time after the civil war. And that's gonna be difficult. If americans couldn't agree on a policy before 2025, why would they be able to come up with one after that?

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I just want to mention that there's a series of difficulties:

  • practically, a good 20% - 30% are still backing trump, especially among "republicans for life". It would be easy to topple a government if 99% of the population despised it, but if 20% back it, it's difficult because it can retract and re-collect strength.
  • normally, conflicts are decided by who can stay solvent longer, i.e. who has more money. normally, that would be blue states, but if trump can just print money through the federal reserve, then that kinda makes that point more questionable. blue states kinda would have to start using their own currency, or some foreign currency like the canadian dollar or the mexican pesos, to be fiscally independent from washington. that's a logistic challenge to pull off so quickly. but it can be done.
  • then there's a shitload of cultural issues. the vietnam kicked the american's butt because they were fierce and willing to die for their cause, because they were willing to die for their community. america doesn't have communities like that, america is very atomistic, i.e. everybody fights for themselves. establishing a good sense of community is a whole lot of work and takes a long time. i don't see it happening overnight.
[-] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

Ideally, the Civil War takes care of the people who have been making a game of blocking the obvious, realizable solutions to nearly all of the US’s problems.

"today we declare independence from the USA" was a particularly nice headline from the guardian

[-] manigordo@lemy.lol 16 points 4 days ago

I work for an US company and I got a day off, it is curious, cause Im from Costa Rica, and I belong to the bribri indigenous nation, and we commemorate Pa Bru day, an ancient leader who stopped Spanish incursions to our land in 1710. So I wish, from the deepest of my soul and for my ancestor that you, US fellows, rebel!

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

We need to grow our numbers! The only way we can do that is with continued non-violent organized protest. Violence will only reduce our numbers and suppress our resistance.

Erica Chenoweth has a very well researched presentation on the success of non-violent resistance overthrowing dictatorships with only 3.5% of the population. I highly recommend it.

Come out today for the Free America protest! We also have the Good Trouble Lives On protest on July 17th.

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[-] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 4 days ago

It sucks that the USA is associated with the bald eagle because IMO it's still a beautiful bird and it did nothing to deserve the association. And also for me, the fact that they sound like seagulls makes them even more relatable because it has an annoying voice just like me 😆

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