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Not for me, tho (sh.itjust.works)

Actually, it's 5 4 10 12 2 9 8 11 6 7 3 1 for me, but too lazy to edit the image

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[-] tetris11@lemmy.ml 86 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Which language provides the most random alphabetically sorted sequence?

Data
|  N | Eng | Dut | Ger | Tur | Chi | Lex |
|----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----|
|  1 |   8 |   8 |   8 |   6 |   8 |   1 |
|  2 |  11 |   3 |   3 |   5 |   2 |  10 |
|  3 |   5 |   1 |   1 |   1 |   9 |  11 |
|  4 |   4 |  11 |  11 |   9 |   6 |  12 |
|  5 |   9 |   9 |   5 |   4 |   3 |   2 |
|  6 |   1 |  10 |   9 |   2 |   4 |   3 |
|  7 |   7 |  12 |   6 |  10 |   7 |   4 |
|  8 |   6 |   2 |   7 |  11 |  10 |   5 |
|  9 |  10 |   4 |   4 |  12 |  12 |   6 |
| 10 |   3 |   5 |  10 |   8 |  11 |   7 |
| 11 |  12 |   6 |   2 |   3 |   5 |   8 |
| 12 |   2 |   7 |  12 |   7 |   1 |   9 |

Sourced from comments in thread (English from image, Dutch from !Vinny_93@lemmy.world, German from !TJA@sh.itjust.works , Turkish from some rando, Chinese from !idealotus@lemmy.world, Lexicographical from !monogram@feddit.nl)

Plot with Correlation Scores

We will compute the pearson correlation (r-statistic) score by comparing the base number (column 1) with the corresponding language column. We will also compute the Serial correlation, by creating staggered columns that measure how close a number is in a sequence to the one before it.

Staggered Table

cat alphabetic.tab \
    | awk '{print $0"\t"prE"\t"prD"\t"prG"\t"prT"\t"prC"\t"prL;prE=$2;prD=$3;prG=$4;prT=$5;prC=$6;prL=$7}' \
    | tee alphabetic.tab.stagger

Plot Code

gnuplot -p -e '
  set xlabel "Base Sequence";
  set ylabel "Alphabetic";
  set xtics 1,1,12;
  set ytics 1,1,12;
  set title "Alphabetic Number Plot with Correlation Score";
  set rmargin 25; set key at graph 1.5,0.9;
  set size ratio 0.45;

  stats "alphabetic.tab.stagger" using 1:2 name "E";
  stats "" using 1:3 name "D";
  stats "" using 1:4 name "G";
  stats "" using 1:5 name "T";
  stats "" using 1:6 name "C";
  stats "" using 1:7 name "L";
  
  stats "" using 2:8 name "ES";
  stats "" using 3:9 name "DS";
  stats "" using 4:10 name "GS";
  stats "" using 5:11 name "TS";
  stats "" using 6:12 name "CS";
  stats "" using 7:13 name "LS";

  set label 1 sprintf("%10s  %6s  %6s", "", "Base", "Stagger") at graph 1.07,0.95;

  plot "" using 1:2 with lines lw 3 title sprintf("%10s  %+.3f  %+.3f", "English", E_correlation, ES_correlation),
       "" using 1:3 with lines lw 3 title sprintf("%10s  %+.3f  %+.3f", "Dutch", D_correlation, DS_correlation),
       "" using 1:4 with lines lw 3 title sprintf("%10s  %+.3f  %+.3f", "German", G_correlation, GS_correlation),
       "" using 1:5 with lines lw 3 title sprintf("%10s  %+.3f  %+.3f", "Turkish", T_correlation, TS_correlation),
       "" using 1:6 with lines lw 3 title sprintf("%10s  %+.3f  %+.3f", "Chinese", C_correlation, CS_correlation),
       "" using 1:7 with lines lw 1 title sprintf("%10s  %+.3f  %+.3f", "Lexicon", L_correlation, LS_correlation)
'

It looks like Dutch has the lowest (near 0) correlation to both the base sequence and it's own staggered sequence, with Turkish mirroring it's staggered randomness somewhat.

The least random alphabetic sequences are English and German.


Updated: Added chinese and staggered analysis.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 month ago

You put a lot of work into this.

[-] FeatherConstrictor@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 month ago

Thank you for doing and sharing this

[-] null@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago

This is the second comment I've seen like this from you.

Please never stop.

[-] diemartin@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

I didn't expect soneone to put that much effort into it.

Thanks! This is awesome!

[-] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

c/dataisbeautiful

[-] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago

Acht, drie, een, elf, negen, tien, twaalf, twee, vier, vijf, zes, zeven.

8, 3, 1, 11, 9, 10, 12, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7

[-] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don't even know 100% that this is Dutch, but Dutch so often reads and sounds like someone German who doesn't know English trying to speak English and I love the language because of it ❤️

[-] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Dutch is an Anglo-Saxon language so that makes sense.

[-] Mexigore@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Standard Dutch is not Anglo-Saxon but some other Dutch dialects/languages like Frisian are.

[-] tja@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago

Acht, drei, eins, elf, fünf, neun, sechs, sieben, vier, zehn, zwei, zwölf

8, 3, 1, 11, 5, 9, 6, 7, 4, 10, 2, 12

[-] Derpenheim@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago

Ah there it is. The real language, not the one a confused toddler trying to learn German speaks

[-] tetris11@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

altı beş bir dokuz dört iki on onbir oniki sekiz üç yedi

6 5 1 9 4 2 10 11 12 8 3 7

[-] idealotus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Transliterating from Mandarin Chinese and using English dictionary order

Ba Er Jiu Liu Qi San Si Shi ShiEr ShiYi Wu Yi

8 2 9 6 3 4 7 10 12 11 5 1 八 二 九 六 三 四 七 十 十二 十一 五 一

[-] tetris11@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Thanks, I've added it to the analysis: https://lemmy.ml/post/32382201/19537907

[-] icelimit@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

I still don't understand how acht=12

[-] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

acht=12

Gesundheit.

[-] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Ah no I started at one. You can transpose my list by one and set zeven as 12.

[-] vrojak@feddit.org 38 points 1 month ago

I recently found out that javascript's .sort() function, when called without arguments on an array of numbers, converts them all to strings and sorts them alphabetically 🤡

[-] ElectricTrombone@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

I'm a C programmer. My first time writing Javascript and ran into some sort of bug involving a === sign or something. Javascript is a silly language.

[-] diemartin@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago
console.log("10"+1); // "101"
console.log("10"-1); // 9
[-] FourWaveforms@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago

The epitomy of irony is a JavaScript developer insisting that some other language is "a fractal of bad design" without immediately acknowledging that JS is weird as hell.

[-] diemartin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I like Lua's design. Separate addition (x+y) and concatenation (x..y) operators ftw!

Edit: and just, like, everything else about Lua too

[-] FourWaveforms@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I will have to look into it soon. It has a JIT compiler. I like that.

[-] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Javascript lets you compare unlike types without extra steps using ==. If you want strict comparison where “2” isn’t 2, use === and !==. Personally, I find that easier than having to parseint or cast every damn thing or whatever c does (strtol?). That said, I have build tools set up to enforce strict comparison because I don’t trust myself or others.

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Truish and falsish and nullish are all concepts made up by madmen. JavaScript is the language of the damned.

[-] donalonzo@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

Lexicographical clock

1 10 11 12 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

[-] monogram@feddit.nl 17 points 1 month ago

You’re missing 2

1 10 11 12 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

[-] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 month ago
[-] frunch@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

2 is overrated ~~tbh~~ 2bh

[-] frunch@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

2 is over~~rate~~8d ~~tbh~~ 2bh

[-] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 8 points 1 month ago

Interestingly it would be right twice a day

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago

I'd think four times: 4:20, 4:35, 7:20, 7:35

[-] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 3 points 1 month ago

I'm stupid and read the clock wrong and didn't check even a little.

[-] bhamlin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

You'll fit in here just fine!

[-] AllToRuleThemOne@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Thanks, i hate it :)

[-] callyral@pawb.social 6 points 1 month ago

Portuguese

cinco, dez, dois, doze, nove, oito, onze, quatro, seis, sete, três, um

5 10 2 12 9 8 11 4 6 7 3 1

cinco, dez, dois, doze, meia, nove, oito, onze, quatro, sete, três, um

5 10 2 12 6 9 8 11 4 7 3 1

(six can be "seis" or "meia")

[-] diemartin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

Mine is Spanish

Cinco (5), cuatro (4), diez (10), doce (12), dos (2), nueve (9),, ocho (8), once (11), seis (6), siete (7), tres (3), una (1)

[-] TheImpressiveX@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago

It's 9 o'clock somewhere!

[-] monogram@feddit.nl 3 points 1 month ago

I hate this so much

[-] niktemadur@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

What time is it?
It's Beer O'clock!

[-] noxypaws@pawb.social 3 points 1 month ago

If a mechanical clock or watch was like that it would be one hell of a fascinating movement

[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

5 4 10 2 12 9 6 7 8 11 3 1

[-] crypto@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Cinq Deux Dix Douze Huit Neuf Onze Quatre Sept Six Trois Un

5 2 10 12 8 9 11 4 7 6 3 1

[-] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ah yes its nearly 8:03 o’clock

Or nearly 56 minutes to 11:08

[-] Mac@mander.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

Sure but the clock doesn't tell time any differently—now it's just displaying wrong, instead.

[-] famijoku@feddit.org 1 points 1 month ago

8 3 1 11 5 9 6 7 4 10 2 12

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