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[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 68 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Apparently some need education on what a primary is.

They were all running to “be the blue.” This is how WE pick the candidates that run for the Democratic Party. Yes. That’s right. They’re not selected by the DNC as many believe.

Congressional primaries see less than 15% turnout, yet people love to complain about the career centrists. Well, this is EXACTLY how it’s done.

Mamdani won because WE SHOWED UP. Stop letting retirees with nothing but time on their hands pick our candidates and VOTE FOR PROGRESSIVES IN THE PRIMARIES.

[-] laurelraven 114 points 1 month ago

The joke is that the NYC Dems are making the DNC eat their words with a candidate that they didn't want

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Oh I totally missed that. Thanks. Too many people still ignorantly commenting about how the DNC picks all the candidates, after NYC just proved that it’s always been about us showing up, has me on the defense. My bad.

[-] Longpork3@lemmy.nz 17 points 1 month ago

I think you're missing the joke here?

[-] distantsounds@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

I suppose we’ll see if the DNC takes the message this time.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

They don’t “take the message.” It’s not a suggestion. They run a primary and we select their nomination. That’s what primary elections are. Have you never voted in a primary before?

[-] distantsounds@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

I’ve voted in primaries for over 20 years. I know how politics work. Don’t be so naive

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ok. Give me some examples of candidates winning the Democratic primary and getting dropped off the ballot by the DNC.

[-] Jikiya@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

It's not about being dropped, it's about the cash not coming from the DNC, and then other DNC allies contributing to the independent candidate. Mamdani will be the (D) on the ballot. It does not mean that the DNC will give him one cent if they don't like his politics.

Seems like people are talking past each other here. He will be representing the DNC on the ticket, and the DNC is likely to provide absolutely no support to him, as he doesn't match what "they" "wanted".

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

They aren’t required to fund him, that’s true, but all campaign donations from the DNC are transparent. They also can’t stop him from fundraising directly. If he makes it clear that they are withholding financial support given to prior candidates, then people will donate to him directly and the DNC will be publicly called out for favoring past candidates. That’s the last thing they need after the Debbie Wasserman-Shultz/Hillary Clinton scandal.

[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

Being on the ballot means little in and of itself. Having the party apparatus behind you is what matters. You don't need to win the primary to get on the ballot.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Candidates, political scientists, and pundits all insist it’s the other way around. The average voter is a party loyalist. They’ll “vote blue no matter who,” or “always pick working families.” Getting on the Democratic ticket is worth far more than the DNC funding, especially for a candidate who just won the primary on a grassroots campaign.

[-] namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev 65 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If I were forced to choose between two choices and I didn't like either, I would not consider myself living in a democracy. Democracy is pointless if you aren't able to vote for a candidate that you actually like.

The solution is reform. If your democracy is not proportional, then it is not a democracy.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

You are able to do that, it's the entire point of a primary.

It's not the best system, certainly, but it does mean you actually get more than 2 choices.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sort of?

A comprehensive look at voter turnout from 2000 onwards reveals that the average turnout rate for primary elections is 27% of registered voters, compared to 60.5% for general elections. It should be noted that less than half of the voters who cast a ballot in the general election participate in primaries.

https://goodparty.org/blog/article/primary-vs-general-election

All sorts of problems have solutions. I see this a lot in the tech space, like the need to save a video, Adblock, whatever.

…But generally, people don’t use them. Or know about them.

US primaries feel similar, where voters technically have the ability to choose candidates but, statistically, they don’t.

Attention is finite. Many dont know about primaries. To me, giving people the choice doesn’t matter if it’s obscure and inaccessibly designed.

[-] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

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[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Without RCV, there is no path to better candidates. There is a reason so many conservative states have been proactively banning it.

[-] Liz@midwest.social 6 points 1 month ago

No voting system by itself will do much. We need to switch to a proportional system or else minority parties won't have a fair shot at representation. If a party gets 2% of the vote, they should get 2% of the seats. Not possible with single-winner methods.

Ranked Choice Voting is an improvement over plurality voting, but as I've written elsewhere (too lazy to look it up), I think any election with a single winner is still going to end up with weird/disappointing outcomes at least 90% of the time. I think this post is referring to the governor of New York, no? I would rather see a system where the state legislature is elected proportionally, and then the governor would be selected from a coalition agreement between the governing parties - similar to what you see in many national, state and provincial systems across Europe. This system isn't without its downsides, but at least it's harder for incumbent parties to force voters to support them even if those voters don't want to.

Of course, this is a much more fundamental reform, so it's harder to adopt. RCV is definitely an improvement. It's great to see some progress happening out there in the USA.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Then it's not a democracy. But you still live here.

[-] MotherForker@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

what does any of this mean lol? nyc, dem, dnc, vote blue? wtf

[-] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago

because the one who won the primaries isn't the one who the dnc actually likes. dnc establishment is thinking of having cuomo running as an independent against him. so, 'vote blue no matter who' has now been turned around on those jackasses who kept shoving shit condidates down our throats.

[-] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

NYC - New York city

DEM - Democrats (political party, they call themselves left, but they are only left if compared with Trump's fascism)

DNC - democratic Nationals convention (interchange with democrats)

Vote Blue - Blue is the democrat colour. and a reference to "Vote blue no matter how" which they campaign on so their unpopular right leaning candidates get votes because the alternative was Trump.

New York just had primaries (an election where they decide who will be the democratic candidate for the real mayoral election), and a democratic socialist won, despite the democratic party pushing for a corrup rapist.

[-] x00z@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

It's just a case of Americentrism.

[-] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 11 points 1 month ago

I'm getting plenty of German posts as well, It's just a consequence of having an international demographic and a significant percentage of them being from one place.

better to ignore it than complain.

[-] x00z@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

It's easy to filter out German communities and instances. What's not easy to filter out is the posts in any English speaking sub that think America is in the center.

I'm not complaining either. I'm just stating a fact because MotherForker did not understand where all these American based terms come from and why Americans think everybody here would just understand them.

[-] mo_lave@reddthat.com 2 points 1 month ago

Maybe this is the real Blue MAGA

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