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[-] BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one 80 points 1 year ago

The Conservative Party Has No Real Solutions ~~For The Affordability Crisis~~

[-] affiliate@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

The Conservative Party Has ~~No~~ Real ~~Solutions For The Affordability~~ Crisis

[-] BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one 11 points 1 year ago

very big, yuge, some may say the biggest, I've heard, everyone tells me...

[-] Ryan213@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago

Not surprised at all. They just want us to get angry and vote the current government out.

I hope people learned from Ontario but probably not.

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago

This is what our "democracy" has morphed into .... we are no longer told who to vote for .... we are instead told who NOT to vote for.

[-] Rocket@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

All to ensure that we never actually talk to the person we do vote for. "Oh, yeah, the problems are totally a result of you chosing the wrong party and not because the person you elected isn't a mind reader and was left to guess about what you wanted."

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[-] Rocket@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I hope people learned from Ontario but probably not.

Learned to not elect the federal Progressive Conservatives? I think they learned that back in 2002. Remember, the party gave up after that?

[-] harpuajim@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 year ago

If the Canadian conservative party is anything like the American conservative party then they don't have a plan for...anything.

[-] Llamalitmus@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 year ago

That is objectively not true. They have a plan to weaken the rights of the marginalized and to enrich themselves and their cronies. C'mon now >_>

They do have a plan.

It's called "You're wrong and I will vote against it 100% of the time."

[-] amanneedsamaid@sopuli.xyz 35 points 1 year ago

Im sure ending wokeness ought'a do something about it.

[-] bestnerd@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Taking the US approach. Nice

[-] bane_killgrind@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Dude was being sarcastic. He's pointing out the rest of the shit they do is just a smokescreen for not having a platform.

[-] bestnerd@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I know I was too. US GOP approach is just as garbage

[-] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago

"The Conservative Party has no real solutions for the affordability crisis"

... sure maybe, but do the Liberals? They've had a long time to fix things. Maybe it's time we start electing someone other than the two parties that brought us here.

That's crazy talk. The Two Parties Plus False Hope system has served Canada well for generations.

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[-] bababooey@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

They have a “solution” and it’s massive breaks for development companies funded by all us losers who didn’t plan ahead by owning one.

[-] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

People keep saying this but it rings hollow to me. There are plenty of ways to attack the CPC, but this meme is not one of them.

Poilievre has specific plans on how to force cities to get more housing built. Now, obviously, if you don't believe in market solutions this sounds dumb, but most people with even the most basic, minimal centrist respect for economics will believe that more housing will help with prices.

So if you keep saying "he has no plan", what those voters hear is "leftist media is lying about Poilievre".

The LPC could very easily disarm him on this one issue: steal his plan and implement it. Bring out the stick. Start threatening cities that do not greenlight enough housing with cuts to their gas-tax funds. Because while Poilievre's policy is generally horrifying on a lot of fronts (LGBTQ issues, environment, poverty) his plan on this issue is better than anything anybody else has offered (to be fair, the bar is very low).

Progressive YIMBY activists and affordable-housing builders have been saying for decades: slow-walking approvals and restrictive zoning are driving up the costs of urban housing. Thid is a spot where PP is on the same side of the issue as Alexandria freaking Ocasio Cortez!

Yes, there are many publicly-funded ways we should also be fighting the housing crisis, things that PP is not going to do. But on this one specific issue: PP is talking sense, you look stupid to swing voters when you say he isn't, and you can disarm him by just stealing the idea wholesale. It works against the NDP every time, just do it here to the Conservatives.

edit: I just took another look and realized that TFA was written by Nora Loreto. Now it all adds up. The woman is a troll. People just get confused because this style of political trolling is almost exclusively conservative chuds, so seeing this kind of over-the-top hot-take nonsense is unfamiliar when it comes from this side of the aisle.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago

Yes, there are many publicly-funded ways we should also be fighting

Correct.

But we're going to disagree on whether the government should - and whether that government would - help regular people. Trending shows his party does not in any case.

So while there are emany ways the gov could and maybe should address housing as well as the environment, science and the social contract, I don't expect his bunch will suddenly start caring about any of it when that's not how they vote and it's not how theyre funded.

PP's biggest donor is a massive property developer, right?

Nice hair though.

[-] twopi@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

After seeing this I completely agree with you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvFFGoAVeDY

They should just steal like you said

[-] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Well, in the case of "reward cities for fixing their processes" actually that's literally the Housing Generator Fund, which Hussen touted so much as the thing that would fix housing that he completely destroyed its utility as something they could celebrate. The entire media circuit started rolling their eyes at "housing generator fund". Beyond policy problems, the man had buffoonish political instincts.

But one thing that Poilievre's vicious political style works with here is that he wants sticks, not just carrots.

Municipal governments deserve that stick.

[-] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I haven't heard of these plans to force municipalities to build housing, but am curious how that is supposed to work.

Municipalities have their own construction crews, housing is built by private contractors and land developers.

Are municipalities supposed to buy up land and hire contractors to build housing themselves? Then sell it once completed? Or rent it out for little to no profit?

[-] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Force cities to allow housing to be built, technjcally. Basically, the YIMBY argument is that the private sector and non-profit sector are lining up to build housing that will help the housing crisis by both attacking the supply/demand problem with more market supply at large and also there are specialized affordable housing builders that will directly target renters needing affordable rent.

These people are being directly blocked by municipal zoning rules like height limits and ambiguous planning guidelines, and indirectly blocked by long and slow approval processes that are costing them millions in carrying costs owning expensive property they can't build on while they fight city halls.

I downloaded this great video from Xitter of an affordable housing builder giving a deputation to the city of Toronto about this -- it's posted on my Mastodon.

https://mastodon.social/@Pxtl/110300343308877005

A choice quote:

"$20 billion dollar intersection in Forest Hill; somebody said that should be a 7-storey and 70-unit building in 2018. How...where did that number come from? Somebody picked that number. Because it "conformed to the current planning policy for Forest Hill" and somebody adjacent to the site had a backyard swimming pool. That can't be our priority in 2023."

Relevant to this, PP's housing plan includes forcing cities to upzone such transit hubs.

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[-] Ulrich_the_Old@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago

What happened to their policy of throwing cash at billionaires and hoping?

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[-] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

That's because real solutions would destroy the value of all current homes. Given that most people are still homeowners, that's not a winning political strategy.

[-] gaiussabinus@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

The crash is inevitable. This is going to be a game of political hot potato.

[-] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

I don't think a crash is inevitable. It could just plateau forever as long as our population doesn't decline.

I think we'll eventually see political reforms to reign in ownership profits, but not until we have a lot lower ownership percentage. Multiple decades at the very least, possibly half a century.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

The same party hoping for the super soft 23-year landing also wants to curtail the immigration that will prevent the imminent collapse of the economy.

But nice thinking.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Rendering that home you bought back down to even double the inflation-adjusted price - so no loss at all - would be even more than we need, but thank you for suggesting we reduce it even more out of the goodness of your heart.

[-] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

I bought my current home three years ago, it's got a hell of a lot more of a loss to me than that.

[-] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

You'll still have a home, and presumably still be able to afford the payments. Fuck the loss, and let other people get a chance to actually have a place to live.

[-] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Yup, fuck me for working my young ass off to get a place when they're so expensive, and continue to fuck me for another 20 years to pay for the $700,000 remaining on my mortgage because I wanted to have space for my kids.

At that point I'd be better off abandoning Canada to get rid of the debt load.

That screws the people who benefitted least, and barely touches the people who benefitted most.

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[-] landlord_destroyer1990@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

Newsflash: none of our political parties have any solutions to the crises of capitalism.

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[-] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Yes they do: be born rich next time.

[-] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

And something something bootstraps, something something avocado toast.

[-] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I fucking love that bootstrap saying. Like if you take even 3 seconds to think about it, it's obvious that pulling yourself up by the bootstraps is physically impossible.

But they'll happily keep parrot it nonetheless.

[-] psvrh@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

That's the point. It's started out as satire, but someone didn't get the joke.

It's like how the Republicans thought that "Born in the USA" or (more recently) Twisted Sister's "We're not gonna take it!" are good right-wing anthems.

[-] Navarian@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

The fact that this post title could fit so perfectly into UK politics also probably speaks volumes.

So much so that upon first glance I just assumed this was in the UK politics community.

[-] tehfishman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

The states, too. Clicked the link and saw the Maple leaf, was depressed at how we may have exported our brand of idiocy to Canada.

[-] Blastasaurus@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

It doesn't matter who you vote for, they're all fucking snakes.

[-] hoodatninja@kbin.social 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You know, I heard the same thing for decades in the US. Then one party removed a woman’s right to choose and gay marriage is signaled to be next. You’re headed down the same road we are if you aren’t careful.

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[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thanks for "both sides"-ing this one, Mr Trump..

But if you look closer you will find nuance in the history of each group that may show you a difference, if you want.

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[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Headline is about 4 words too long

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