Wellllll... If it hadn't been for Germany, Israel probably wouldn't exist.....
Jesus Christ lol
They're technically correct, which is the best kind of correct 👍
Fixed
EDIT: Double fixed
Germany is Europe's biggest supporter of Israel.
The biggest issue is that we, the EU, are on the side of Germany now. And their track record with world wars isn't great.
To be fair to the Germans, I can understand how the Holocaust is integrated into them as a kind of "original sin". What was done to the Jews under the Nazis was so unspeakable terrible, and German society as a whole has done an enormous job at ingraining in themselves that nothing of the sort should ever repeat itself.
The problem is that "nothing of the sort" has translated into "opposing Jews in any way". It seems to me like Germany sees itself as bound to support Jews (and thereby the Jewish state Israel) no matter what in order to "atone for their sins", and I can understand that. However, right now, Israel is suddenly the state committing the closest thing we've seen to the Holocaust since the actual Holocaust. It's very hard for Germany to oppose Israel without tickling a part of their history that they've done a laudable job at condemning.
What Germany needs now, is to separate their history from their current politics. I understand that it's difficult, and I don't have an answer to how it should be done, but it needs to happen, lest the same crimes are committed again.
Israel is suddenly the state committing the closest thing we’ve seen to the Holocaust since the actual Holocaust.
I don't say this to excuse anything Israel is doing, but this is gross recency bias that is glossing over numerous genocides that have occurred since the Holocaust, including:
Not technically genocides, but also worth mentioning in the same vein:
So ya, other than those events, this is the closest thing to the Holocaust since the actual Holocaust.
It's laudable of you to bring attention to these other atrocities. Without creating a "race to the bottom" regarding what was worse, I still want to point out that the horror of the Holocaust was not only in the number of killed.
I'm aware of a couple of the atrocities you mentioned, but as far as I'm aware, they don't carry the clinical state-sponsored efficiency that is a hallmark of the Holocaust. When I compare Gaza today to the holocaust, that's what I'm comparing, rather than the number of killed. It's about the way Isreal has decided to wipe out the population of Gaza, and systematically does so completely unhindered.
The problem is that Germans now just look generally pro-genocidal.
This is a classic problem of going into one ditch, then oversteering and hitting the opposite ditch.
Germany has worked so hard on "The Holocaust was terrible, we will forever support the Jews to make up for it" that they're now supporting a genocidal Jewish state.
My point is that I understand why this is hard for them. For them to oppose Israel invokes some associations that they really want to keep far away. However, now, supporting Israel invokes the same associations. This puts them in a kind of catch-22 situation, where no matter what they do, they're invoking associations to the Nazis.
To be clear: I think the only right thing to do now is to oppose Israel. I just understand why that is exceptionally hard for Germany.
Germany doesnt care about Jews. The moment Jews are not fitting the box Germany designed for them by not blindly supporting Israel, those Jews are facing the same repressions like anyone else who challenges Germanies blind support for Israel.
German politics, media and parts of civil society think that blind support of Israel is serving certain interests of Germany and they do it purely for these reasons. In particular we see it being used to justify racist discrimination against Arabs and other "brown" people and to crack down with increasing authoritarianism on leftist and ecological political positions.
Like Israeli society they have deluded themselves into thinking that they know better than everyone else in the world what is right and wrong and fail to see, how this actually harms Germany tremendously.
Maybe it's time for a redemption arc.
Germany is the second largest provider of weapons to Israel, and a huge longtime consumer of Russian gas, this is a tonedeaf as hell meme.
They're highly complicit in Israel's actions.
They also ditched nuclear energy and stayed over reliant on russian fossil fuel, funding the Russian war machine
The nuclear rods in Europe are mainly made with Uranium from Kazakhstan processed in Russia.
The German failure was not expanding renewables. Getting out of nuclear energy is geopolitically and financially sound.
These nuclear energy zealots are spilling over from r/europe with the same stupid arguments
Nuclear energy was the answer between like 1950 and 2010. But the fact that China isnt going all in on nuclear despite having optimal conditions; central planning allows them to predict maximum prices for materials and labor available 5-10 years in advance, the scale allows them to produce reactors more efficiently with better investment in tooling than any other country, and being the workshop of the world ensures higher demand than any other country. They are at <5% nuclear right now and expect <10% by 2035.
Except Germany keeps delivering weapons to Israel, gives them diplomatic and political coverage, and apparently even has planes in the air to support Israeli fighter jets in their attacks on Iran.
you think WW3 is starting because of Israel? Can I also get under the rock your been living under, must be nice there.
Israel is a prominent member of the global western capitalistic hegemony, and they are escalating tensions with their genocide and attack on Iran. I wouldn't say they're the only ones responsible, but they do share a large portion of the blame.
Israel is not only at the very center of the world (look at maps: it's very much the geographic center. That's why we call it middle east.)
it's also reckless and like a dying star, a supernova. it blows up without regards to casualties. it is a very dangerous situation that we're in indeed.
They are complicit in supporting and arming Israel as well as supporting the genocide.
Germany is, after U.S, the most pro Israel country of all countries
I'd find Germany less responsible for WWIII if maybe they ya know didn't support a genocidal terrorist ethnostate at the expense of domestically suppressing speech calling out that foreign policy, but I guess it just be like that sometimes
Israel: we wouldn't have started it without Germany's security guarantees!
AfD be like: It hasn't officially started yet 👀
You misspelled Austrians.
While Hitler was Austrian, Germans carried out the orders.
But honestly, the 1918 influenza was largely responsible for WWII, because the people who would have prevented Germany from getting ass fucked in the Treaty of Versailles were sick and didn't attend.
https://xcancel.com/josemendes2/status/1934190961719972153#m
Except we are once again fighting on the side of genocide.
Well if they didn't genocide all those millions of innocent Jews 80 years ago, western countries wouldn't accept the invasion and genocide in Palestine over the last decades
Germans when they realise WW2 was caused by an man from Austria
Germans when they realise WW1 was caused by the assassination of the archduke of Austria and the subsequent declaration of war from Austria-Hungary on Serbia.
You could say Austria is responsible, but Hitler was in Germany, so WW2 is kinda our problem…
Ne digga, unsere scheiß Regierung macht den Kack ja mit, weil einzige Demokratie im nahen Osten und Staatsräson und so
They have a big share in the current state of affairs, whether it is the genocide of the Palestinian people or the complete failure of Europe. the German state hasn't changed a fucking bit
Not directly, but the government supported getting there.
Wwi lead to wwiii lead to wwiii it's germans all the way down
Germans were no more responsible for WWI than the British, French, etc.
It's still possible to ask if Germany could have prevented it.
Sure. Maybe if they did a better job at WW2. But I don't think that'd necessarily be an improvement...
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