Yes I have.
With a model I fine tuned myself and ran locally on my own hardware.
Suck it
Just curious, do you know even as a rough estimation (maybe via the model card) how much energy was used to train the initial model and if so how do you believe it was done so in an ecologically justifiable way?
Just curious. Do you know how many children had a hand in making your electronics?
Just curious, do you know how many trees were MOLESTED to create that air you're breathing?
I know at least seven were. It would've been more but I got a splinter and that really turned me off.
Straw-hat much or just learning about logistics and sourcing in our globalized supply chain?
Satirically pointing out that worrying about electricity usage for model creation is ridiculous.
It's already spent. The model exists. It's probably MORE moral to use it as much as possible to get some positive value out of it. Otherwise it was just wasted.
Yes indeed, yet my point is that we keep on training models TODAY so if keep on not caring, then we do postpone the same problem, cf https://lemmy.world/post/30563785/17400518
Basically yes, use trained model today if you want but if we don't set a trend then despite the undeniable ecological impact, there will be no corrective measure.
It's not enough to just say "Oh well, it used a ton of energy. We MUST use it now."
Anyway, my overall point was that training takes a ton of energy. I'm not asking your or OP or anyone else NOT to use such models. I'm solely pointing out that doing so without understand the process that lead to such models, including but not limited to energy for training, is naive at best.
Edit: it's also important to point out alternatives that are not models, namely there are already plenty of specialized tools that are MORE efficient AND accurate today. So even if the model took a ton of energy to train, in such case it's still not rational to use it. It's a sunk cost.
How much electricity was wasted for you to post, and us to receive, your human slop
FWIW the person I asked did reply, they don't care : https://lemmy.world/post/30563785/17397024
Hope it helps.
Apologies for my sarcastic answer, I did actually search for that a little while ago so I do assume most people do know but that's incorrect. The most useful tool I know of would probably be https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/uyghurs-for-sale-re-education-forced-labour-and-surveillance-beyond-xinjiang/ It wasn't specific to children but it does show the process and I'd argue can be apply for the different criteria one would want to focus on. It dates back few years ago, when I learned about the problem so there also you might want to prefer a more up to date source.
Let me know if you are looking for something more precise. I know of few other tools which do help better understand who builds what and how, for electronics but other products too.
Don’t know. Don’t really care honestly. I dont pay for hydro, and whatever energy expenditures were involved in training the model I fine tuned is more than offset by the fact that I don’t and never will drive.
Don’t know. Don’t really care honestly [...] offset by the fact that I don’t and never will drive.
That's some strange logic. Either you do know and you can estimate that the offset will indeed "balance it out" or you don't then you can't say one way or the other.
Running a 500W GPU 24/7 for a full year is less than a quarter of the energy consumed by the average automobile in the US (in 2000). I don’t know how many GPUs this person has or how long it took to fine tune the model, but it’s clearly not creating an ecological disaster. Please understand there is a huge difference between the power consumed by companies training cutting-edge models at massive scale/speed, compared to a locally deployed model doing only fine tuning and inferencing.
I specifically asked about the training part, not the fine tuning but thanks to clarifying.
Edit : you might be interested in helping with https://lemmy.world/post/30563785/17397757 please
Just curious, do you know how much energy went into powering every computer and office room for 3 years while the latest videogame/hollyowood movie/etc was being made used up?
Should we ban every single non-essential thing in the world or only the ones you don't enjoy?
And please hop-off Lemmy, do you know how much power the devs used to program this site!
That's been addressed few times already so I let you check the history if you are actually curious.
Feel free to explain the down votes.
If it wasn't clear the my point was that self hosting addresses mostly privacy for the user but that is only one dimension addressed. It does not necessarily address the ecological impact. I was honestly hoping this community to care more.
yea this attitude right here is why ai bros are so beloved
I've given up and assume that my friends and family have already handed over my contact info, pictures, messages, DNA, etc
Honestly giving up is reasonable. We need EVERYONE to respect privacy for this whole thing to work.
You could be the most privacy focused individual and your mom's facebook page would still have your graduation picture with name of the highschool you went and your home address in the back somewhere.
That's also ignoring how all of your actual personal information (full name, address, social security, phone number, email, etc) have already been leaked 16 times this year alone
so what you are saying is that its already over and we lost.
Overwhelming so.
I remember years ago someone in my class decided to make Russian look alike pictures of everyone in the class and post them as a gag on the doors. I forget what it was called, but several of my classmates were angry that the person had taken their pictures without consent and given them to some weird Russian picture algorithm.
At this point in time, I have no doubt that all kinds of pictures and information regarding me is in the hands of people and companies I don't care for. A lot of it is my own doing and some is out of my hands.
It is hard to avoid when you don't have any control over your own information because people share your pictures and your info without consulting you. All the time and without malice. It is what it is.
Pff it's easy
Cut contact with all friends and family, get plastic surgery, live as a hermit in the mountains
Aka living the dream
My dream. Get a death certificate and become invisible. Live in mountains. Raise chicken. And live a peaceful life
wow that's evil
It's cleverly addressing a valid point. If your face is visible on the internet it can be used in an ai database without your consent. That's just where we're at.
yeah fair enough but every use of the studio Ghibli image generator is one too many
Gosh so many real problems being solved with computers! I always knew they would be useful one day.
lol
I just saw an ad for a “training course” to “qualify” people to interact with AI as a profession.
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