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[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago

“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance” ― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark(1995)

[-] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Wow. Completely nailed it, unfortunately.

Do you also start to get weary of how they're always dead-on when it comes to pessimistic predictions? :(

[-] TeddE@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

I mean there are a few good actuate positive predictions. The family of laws that collectively are called Moore's law is decent offhand example.

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[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 89 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

College educated skilled worker. I already left. I'm not looking back. Thanks Trump for making me realize how much the US was holding me back

[-] BozeKnoflook@lemmy.world 48 points 5 days ago

Yuuup. Trump getting elected once was the writing on the wall, I wasn't going to wait and hope he didn't manage to return to power. Turns out that was a great decision, the Netherlands are amazing.

[-] WingedObsidian@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 days ago

Any particular resources you found helpful in your move? My main concern is how to make the visa work and how to find a livable wage abroad

[-] Bruncvik@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago

Not OP, but I did the same, when I first realized the US was on a slippery slope towards idiocracy (and, in fairness, I realized it three decades after many intellectuals already warned about it). In my case, I was fortunate to work for a multinational, which agreed to transfer me to a country within the EU, and to take care of the paperwork. Over a decade later, I have citizenship here, my own house, and I feel fully integrated into the local society. And I don't need to worry about college tuition for my kids. They'll have a choice of free education anywhere within the EU, and by the time they're old enough, they may have access to a wide variety of educators who left he US.

[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I'm in a similar boat, except I'm waiting to find out if my multinational will be willing to move me. I'm the lead developer, admin, product owner, and architect for a very publicly-facing web presence for my company, so I'm hoping they'll be willing to in order to keep me happy.

And if they won't, I'm going to be applying for similar jobs abroad the moment I know.

It's not just for me. My son is trans and my daughter is gay. I have to get them both out of here before the ovens start firing up.

If you get the impression that at this point I believe the U.S. is a lost cause, you're correct. If we make it to the 2026 elections intact, the elections are valid, and Democrats sweep, I'll be extremely surprised.

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

American science will suffer. But you don't care for science in the US, anyway, so most people won't even notice the loss.

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 13 points 4 days ago

Oh they'll notice the loss...they just won't understand it

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

They'll notice they have lost ... something.

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 days ago

And then they will blame Democrats/immigrants for it

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Of course. All good that happens is because Trump waved his glorious hand, while all evil is due to the mighty scheming of the weak Democrats, or something like that.

[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 31 points 5 days ago

"in danger"

Why is it that all these articles seem to be written in the past?

[-] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 47 points 5 days ago

Unironically I would be literally thrilled to contribute to this brain drain. I'd drop everything and get on a plane right this very second for a chance to do a PhD in literally any other country.

If anyone is looking to fill a electrical engineering PhD position literally anywhere but America then I'm ya boy.

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 9 points 5 days ago

Yeah, we gonna need loads of that for 7th gen fighters, resilient next-gen green smart grids, etc. Bon voyage!

PS: we're not better than the US, but at least our political systems can delay full fascist takeover for about 5-20 years...which may be enough time to reverse it politically or to at least create defenses against it.

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[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 42 points 5 days ago

Brain drain? They're flushing them!

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[-] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 57 points 5 days ago

Of course. We have people in government who don't believe in germ theory. Education is extremely expensive, and if you don't pick a "Good" major, not only are you in debt, but shamed and mocked for it, since no one "forced" you to go. Jobs that require these degrees, even doctors, are not paying enough for people to live, study, and afford food. Why would you stay?

[-] breecher@sh.itjust.works 40 points 5 days ago

Also educated people tend to vocally disagree with fascists, so obviously fascists wants fewer of them around.

[-] bloup@lemmy.sdf.org 50 points 5 days ago

I think at this point, the danger has crystallized pretty thoroughly. Even if you somehow stopped everything that was currently happening, I don’t really know why anybody would want to come here anymore for university. Getting a degree is already stressful enough without having to worry about whether or not the institution will legally be allowed to keep you enrolled for the entire duration of your program.

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[-] SCmSTR 6 points 4 days ago

In danger? We've been experiencing that for decades now and it's now taking a nosedivem

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

i like how its the same as getting shocked at falling birthrates, its been happening for the last 20 years. if you're earning a PHD in research consider europe as your backup plan. very little such avenue exists for MS/BS holders in the stems though.

Unless you're a true sociopath ready to take advantage of the situation, past a certain threshold of intelligence and knowledge being surrounded by MAGAmericans and propaganda aimed at them, and knowing your country can only get worse, must feel like torture.

[-] ToadOfHypnosis@lemm.ee 27 points 5 days ago

It is. MAGA support just feels like insanity. Trying to discuss things with them about their reasoning is excruciating. I avoid people who I know are MAGA for the most part now. It’s just a black hole of demoralizing energy to try to break through their bubble.

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[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

It's part of the plan. If you can't win over the more left-leaning academia, you can always just get rid of it. Worked out for both Hungary and Russia.

[-] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago

Anyone with the brains and means is welcome in EU! Several member nations are setting up funds for exactly this reason.

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago

Anyone with the brains is doing everything in their power to get out ASAP unless they're nearing retirement, have elderly parents or close relatives, etc.

You cannot do legitimate science under fascist or fundamentalist governance. Too much of reality is considered wrongthink.

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[-] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Idiocracy had their time predictions wrong, it's already nearly there.

[-] poopkins@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

The most ludicrous part of Idiocracy is that the film makers thought the future it depicted would be 500 years away. Turns out, it was 20 years.

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 points 4 days ago

when the guy was in a deep statis, it did shows the progression starting almost immediately, and funny thing it had a AI basically managing the whole society in the future.

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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 13 points 5 days ago

I am not going to miss the "pax" Americana, but it's sad seeing this and knowing that the world's total rate of scientific advancement will go down considerably for at least a decade.

[-] Wazowski@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

There's no way I'd send my kids to Harvard or MIT (or Stanford, Caltech, Yale, Princeton, etc. etc.) if I were a foreigner. Shit, I am an American and I think I'd probably prefer to send my kids to McGill at this point. I hope my outlook changes. And I write this as someone who has walked the halls of two of those prestigious universities.

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