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Germany turns first asylum seekers away at border (www.dw.com)
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[-] LazyGit@feddit.org 72 points 5 days ago

Even if you would think that were a good thing - which I don’t - there is no business case justifying spending all this money on border controls, impacting travel, increasing congestion and pollution just to ’catch’ 19(!) “illegal” immigrants. Even the numbers don’t add up.

Also: Nobody is illegal!

[-] Anonymaus@feddit.org 12 points 5 days ago

It's sad that people looking for better life are illegal

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[-] the_wiz@feddit.org 14 points 5 days ago

Nobody is illegal

I hate this so much...

The thing is: YOU might not be "illegal", but entering your neighbors house without his consent indeed is illegal.

What would you do if a random number of strangers would tomorrow at noon decide that it would be a great idea to just enter your house?

[-] RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 5 days ago

There is a huge difference between your house and a country.

[-] LazyGit@feddit.org 25 points 5 days ago

And also between the thing you are doing being illegal and you being illegal

[-] simsalabim@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago

When the law is immoral, ignoring the law is the right thing to do. Turning away asylum seekers at the border is immoral and probably also violates EU law. Which the fucktard Dobrint already knew. Because he is a fucktard and also fucked up the Autobahn Maut back then and he also knew that it was probably not legal back then, too.

[-] the_wiz@feddit.org 6 points 5 days ago

Where is this immoral? Are the EU countries bordering Germany that bad of a place? I don't think so...

[-] simsalabim@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

It's not about "but there are other EU states around Germany where they can apply". The immoral thing is to turn them away without a proper asylum procedure. And if you look at the numbers, there isn't really any sort of crisis that would warrant such an extreme resolution. https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/76095/umfrage/asylantraege-insgesamt-in-deutschland-seit-1995/

[-] the_wiz@feddit.org 5 points 5 days ago

Well, the point is that due to the Dublin III regulation the state in which the refuge seeking person first enters the EU is primarily responsible for the asylum procedure. So, there IS a proper asylum procedure the refuge seeking persons can apply to.

[-] shaserlark@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The point is, this fetish for "migrants“ is first of all inhumane, and besides that also expensive and inefficient. It’s absolute brainrot no matter the amount of mental gymnastics politicians, media, and people like you are doing to justify it.

[-] the_wiz@feddit.org 5 points 5 days ago

It's not a fetish, its just the point that there is more grey to this than either "CLOSE THE BORDERS!1!" or "NOBODY IS ILLEGAL!1!"...

And regarding this "people like you" thing: What people do you mean? What category of people do you think i fit in?

[-] richardwonka@lemmy.one 3 points 4 days ago

I take it you are taking the antisocial-arsehole-stance on purpose?

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[-] Don_alForno@feddit.org 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

How is it morally right to put the perceived (by people like you I assume) burden of immigration only on the countries with EU outer borders?

It's also immoral to perceive these people as a burden in the first place.

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[-] federalreverse@feddit.org 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Not sure if you're serious... If you're seeking refuge, many of the countries bordering Germany are terrible places, Poland and Czechia especially.

Edit: Someone reported this comment for being "straight out of NS propaganda"..? Meanwhile Visegrad has long-standing efforts to end relocation and Poland blocks all asylum-seekers.

[-] Vlado@feddit.org 4 points 4 days ago

How are Poland and Czechia terrible? I get why they might not be the first choice for everyone, but “terrible” is REALLY stretching it. And I say this as a citizen of country where lots of people emmigrate from into Czechia, because they consider it a better place.

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[-] the_wiz@feddit.org 3 points 4 days ago

Well yeah, those places may be not that nice, but they are a far cry from an actual ongoing conflict zone or something like that. At this place you can apply for asylum and if it is granted you can look for further options....

If someone wants to chose a nice place to live and work at... well, there is the normal immigration procedure for that.

[-] Dandelion@programming.dev 8 points 5 days ago

Then at least they should start saying "people who illegally immigrate" or something like that, because "illegal immigrants" does make it sound like its the people themselves who are illegal and that rhetoric only serves the far right

[-] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

This is what the slogan is and always was trying to convey.

[-] LazyGit@feddit.org 3 points 5 days ago

Exactly, see my first comment above

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[-] anton 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The right to asylum was put into the constitution because many victims of the holocaust where denied entry to other counties before getting rounded up and killed.

If a stranger is running down the street, chased by a guy with a blood soaked knife, would you let them in?

Edit: spelling

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[-] richardwonka@lemmy.one 5 points 5 days ago

ITT: someone who understands fuck all of what makes the world run.

[-] jenni007@lemm.ee 30 points 5 days ago

Immigration isn’t the issue; xenophobia is.

[-] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago

The issue is that colonialism has depleted the resources of many countries and destabilized them, thus making them unsafe for many today Of course people will try to stay alive by fleeing those conditions. And it's outrageous to turn them away. Us westerners have it good BECAUSE they have it bad. Doesn't matter that nobody alive today is responsible for colonialism.

[-] RedPandaRaider@feddit.org 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Immigration is an issue too.

Immigration drives up rents in cities while at the same time giving the economy cheap labour and keeping wages down.

As long as immigrants are not guaranteed the same wages as citizens and are not distributed across the country, including the country-side, immigration is a net negative. The only ones profiting are employers and retirees.

[-] poloqualle@feddit.org 24 points 5 days ago

I will not accept this injustice as long as bavarians and swabians are still free to roam germany as they please.

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[-] Gloria@sh.itjust.works 47 points 5 days ago

Hinweis: Uns fehlen noch immer 200.000-300.000 Migranten um unsere Pflege und Sozialsysteme weiter zu unterhalten. Wäre halt geil gewesen, die Menschen die hier ankommen, schnell in Arbeit zu bringen. Nichts integriert besser als den Menschen die Möglichkeit zu geben, sich etwas aufzubauen, damit sie etwas zum verlieren haben. Wer auch noch einem Jahr sich noch nichts aufbauen konnte, hat nichts zu verlieren und wird sich nicht integrieren.

[-] EuroMod@feddit.org 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

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[-] Bababasti@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago

Oh right, sorry about that! Got too carried away and angry at the stuff being told here

[-] EuroMod@feddit.org 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

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[-] Jaizter@feddit.org 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Ein Freund von mir hatte 2 Zusagen für eine Ausbildung in der Altenpflege, hat gerade ein BFD in der Pflege gemacht, Integrationskurs gemacht, großes soziales Umfeld, war super engagiert, einen großen Kreis Unterstützer*innen (privat und aus der lokalen Politik) und wurde ca. eine Woche bevor er eine Ausbildungsduldung beantragen konnte abgeschoben. Und das Amt wusste genau, dass er das alles hat.

Edit: Zu der These, dass wer sich nach einem Jahr nichts aufgebaut hat, sich nicht integrieren wird: Da möchte ich scharf widersprechen. Es wird Menschen unglaublich schwer gemacht sich zu integrieren, sowohl von Amtswegen als auch gesellschaftlich. Dazu noch Menschen, die vor etwas geflohen sind, traumatisiert sind, krank sind, oder zig andere Gründe, die eine Integration erschweren.

[-] Bababasti@feddit.org 6 points 5 days ago

Es ist Montagmorgen und Geschichten wie diese bringen mein Blut zum kochen.

[-] Jaizter@feddit.org 4 points 5 days ago

Ist wirklich übel. Fand es allerdings auch toll zu sehen, wie viele Menschen bereit waren zu unterstützen und wie viel Ausnahmen an vielen Stellen gemacht wurden. Nur leider nicht bei der zuständigen Behörde. Ersteres hat mich immer wieder motiviert mit ihm dran zu bleiben.

[-] ZonenRanslite@feddit.org 12 points 5 days ago

Aber die nehmen uns die Arbeit weg! /s

[-] Gloria@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago

Nehmen alle Ausländer uns nun die Arbeit weg oder sind sie alle faul und beziehen nur Harz4? Nazis sollten sich schon mal entscheiden.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 9 points 5 days ago

Ja und die dummen faschos verstehen diesen super simpeln und leicht ableitbaren Ansatz nicht.

[-] Don_alForno@feddit.org 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Nah, they just believe we'll be making 300.000 additional kids a year instead.

Edit: Switched to English.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 4 points 5 days ago

Brütet für das Vaterland hurrah!

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 45 points 5 days ago

a fricking tragedy, and sadly one we all already saw coming when Merz was buddy-buddy with AfD on this very topic.

[-] taxiiiii@lemmy.world 27 points 5 days ago

i fucking hate this timeline.

[-] TingoTenga@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

This legitimizes the argument to those "promoting" and benefiting from making immigration a central political issue. Not smart.

[-] crisinho@feddit.org 4 points 4 days ago

I fear we already crossed that line some time ago when the established parties used immigration as the scapegoat for pretty much everything that supposedly goes wrong in the country. Now it's really hard to go back.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 16 points 5 days ago

Disappointing but not surprising.

[-] bungalowtill@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Well done, Germany.

Edit: /s

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