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cross-posted from: https://50501.chat/post/206911

First, Trump issued an executive order to militarize domestic law enforcement. Now a new order has come out. Buried in Project Homecoming, the executive order just released by the White House, is the single most dangerous shift in American civil liberties in a generation.

The same man who empowered ICE with military-grade surveillance, armored vehicles, and counterterror tools is now pushing the legal justification to detain people indefinitely.

The administration is laying the legal groundwork to suspend habeas corpus, the constitutional right that protects people from being detained without trial. It’s the right to not be disappeared. It’s the foundation of due process. And they’re getting ready to tear it away.

How? They’re invoking the Suspension Clause of the Constitution, which only allows habeas to be revoked “in cases of rebellion or invasion.” Stephen Miller and the Trump legal machine are now planning to label undocumented immigration as an “invasion,” which would let them bypass courts and jail people without charges, trials, or legal representation. The administration is trying to reclassify undocumented immigration as an invasion to unlock those powers. That’s the strategy.

Let that sink in. They’re preparing to create a class of people who can be detained indefinitely without ever seeing a judge.

Ask yourselves, If anyone can just be disappeared off the streets without charges, without court appearances, without access to a lawyer then do we still have a democracy?

This is just the beginning, it won’t stop at immigrants. So let’s be clear about what this will look like.

Indefinite detention. No due process. No hearings. No legal protections. We’ve seen this playbook before in history—and it always starts with creating a legal exception for a specific group. In this case, it’s undocumented immigrants. But legal exceptions do not stay contained. Once the precedent is set, it expands. Always.

Ask yourself: who defines what an “invasion” is? Who decides who qualifies as a threat? Protesters? Activists? Whistleblowers? Once the right to challenge detention is suspended for one group, the door opens to expand it. That is how authoritarianism consolidates power.

While they call this “restoring order,” here’s what they’re really doing:

They’re tearing $96.7 billion out of the economy. That’s how much undocumented immigrants contributed in taxes in 2022, Specifically:

• $59.4 billion in federal taxes

• $37.3 billion in state and local taxes

• $33.9 billion toward social insurance programs they are banned from accessing

Again, these are people paying into Social Security, Medicare, and public infrastructure they’re not even allowed to use.

The source? The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. Read it yourself. https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/

California alone would lose $8.47 billion in annual tax revenue if these mass deportations succeed. Texas would lose $4.87 billion. New York? $3.1 billion. Every state would feel the economic gut punch. And don’t forget: these are programs undocumented workers pay into but cannot use. They’re helping hold up a system that offers them nothing in return.

Now ask yourself: who is going to make up that lost revenue?

You. The poor. The working class. Not the rich, who continue to dodge taxes with impunity.

The federal government has already slashed funding to the states. Wealthy elites are sitting on tax loopholes and lower effective rates than working people. The answer is obvious: the working class will be left to cover the difference. Your rent, your healthcare, your school funding—all of it will take the hit.

What we are watching is economic sabotage wrapped in xenophobic theater. It is designed to scapegoat immigrants, distract from billionaire tax breaks, and destroy civil liberties in the process.

We have reached a dangerous tipping point. A government openly discussing the suspension of habeas corpus is a government no longer pretending to be democratic.

Habeas corpus is the line between freedom and fascism.

If we let this fall, there is no turning back.

This is the moment where people either pay attention or pay the price. Be ready.

Read the order. Learn what’s happening. Sound the alarm. Talk to your communities. And above all, do not get used to THIS.


Originally Posted By u/transcendent167 At 2025-05-10 10:37:42 AM | Source


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[-] HertzDentalBar 95 points 3 months ago

That second amendment of yours actually has a purpose and this is it. You have the constitutional right to form militias to fight against tyrants.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Uh yeah, nothing like a violent revolution to make things better. I shudder to think about the kind of authoritarian government that would be created out of fellow citizens murdering each other.

We need a peaceful revolution. Anything else is just tantamount to exponentially more human suffering.

[-] baines@lemmy.cafe 30 points 3 months ago

we’re coming up to death camps as the alternative

[-] PhAzE@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 months ago

Can you think of a better way to get a tyrant out of power? One who changes the laws so they don't work against him? This is exactly why this amendment exists. A last ditch effort to get back to freedom.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Yes, resistance and protesting. Everyone stop buying and a work strike. There are tons of ways other than running around murdering people. I know you guys are just a bunch of edgelords but you really should educate yourself on how to solve these problems.

We could definitely use an extremist co-opted faction to help with negotiations, but once that devolves into terrorism it becomes a lot harder to get what you want.

https://prt.civicus.org/strategies/

[-] PhAzE@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 months ago

Terrorism is what ICE is doing right now.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Not going to argue there, but what is your point?

[-] PhAzE@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

My point is i don't think people need to run around and murder people, but an armed militia to forcefully remove the cancer might be needed, as allowed by law. Peaceful protests are not making a difference.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

This 2nd amendment fantasy of your is just that. Having grown up with militia people I can tell you they would far more likely be assisting ICE instead of fighting them nowadays.

Protesting hasn't even started yet, have you seen videos from the civil rights movements?

It is kind of sad because you have been defeated before you have even gotten started and the only solution you can come up with is to form an armed gang. Very tribal and basic as fuck (see history)

I will say having a militaristic element could be useful in negotiating, but unfortunately without discipline it could cause far more harm than good.

[-] PhAzE@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago

Protesting absolutely has started, and look how that's going. Tribal instinct is the part of human nature that makes change when it's needed. It os part of human nature because no amount of talking is going to get a tyrant out of power.

Just watch when the next election is vastly different than what the US is expecting. Two of the branches of government are being completely bypassed. Congress is doing nothing, and judicial is powerless to enforce.

I'm sitting here in another country watching the great tower fall and all the excuses given to do nothing are astounding.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Yeah, I think you are missing a little too much context to have this conversation. HaVe PhUn!

[-] drspawndisaster@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

At the behest of people who would be massively effected by boycotts.

[-] snekerpimp@lemmy.snekerpimp.space 10 points 3 months ago

Speak softly and carry a big stick.

[-] 11111one11111@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

This stopped having relevance the moment police and military stopped using muskets. I say that as an avid hunter and gun owner. You are correct in principle but unless you are packing military grade ammunition and/or explosives, which are illegal in many states, you aren't going to do much against an enemy covered in bullet proof vests and armored vehicles.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

The thing about a bulletproof vest is it's still a vest. Still a lot of places to shoot someone wearing a bulletproof vest.

[-] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Like the dick.

[-] j_elgato@leminal.space 5 points 3 months ago

Quick everyone! Rally behind the fat guy wearing the tac-vest! He will waddle his way towards our mutual freedom...

Oh crap, here come the stealth bombers, that Boston dynamics robot dog with a shotgun strapped to it's back, rodan the flying monster, and whatever else a .7 trillion annual defense budget will buy.

The 2nd amendment was written with a feather...

[-] HertzDentalBar 2 points 3 months ago

So just roll over? i guess that works... Atleast till something about you ends up on a list.

[-] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 59 points 3 months ago

Bout to find out who REALLY supports the spirit of the 2nd amendment. Noticed that the usual “mah rahts” crowd is silent on this one.

[-] BossDj@lemm.ee 40 points 3 months ago

I think you're under valuing the importance of the "mah" part for these people.

They (Trump voters, and many Americans in general). are the most selfish people on the planet. They will gladly shit on anyone's rights to make themselves feel successful at their own life goals. I would also like to emphasize feel successful, because they would chop off their foot to own the libs

[-] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

I know how self centered they are. I like to highlight their hypocrisy although at this point it’s lit up like a neon Vegas sign so maybe there’s no point anymore.

[-] Guidy@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

Your typical gun nut is a fascist/racist boot licker and the rest of us tend not to be that loud.

All that my guns are going to do for me is see to it that I die in a hail of gunfire from whatever form of gestapo shows up someday.

Armed protesting works only when there’s twenty or more people. I don’t know hardly anyone who is armed because my local fellow Democrats treat owning guns like shitting your pants on purpose.

[-] sxan@midwest.social 10 points 3 months ago

The objective is to take out two. Just two. Even one would be ok, but two: that's a win.

The problem is that the American public never benefited from the insurgency training the US gave to Afghanistan rebels during the Russian occupation. Nobody likely to rebel knows how to make IEDs, or how to booby-trap their houses. And a lot of people don't realize just how useless handguns are for these situations. The Army doesn't even issue handguns to infantry, because they're practically useless.

Long guns are cheaper, more likely to penetrate body armor, and more accurate. Folks, when you're arming yourself, skip the Glock and get a hunting rifle.

[-] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

The Army doesn’t even issue handguns to infantry, because they’re practically useless.

The rest of your post is good but this is false. I was an Army infantryman who carried an M-16/M-203 and also a Beretta. In my unit there was one person in each squad with a Beretta. It depends on your unit's mission.

[-] sxan@midwest.social 2 points 3 months ago

11B, or ... well, I guess they're grouping 11M in with 11B, now. Or mechanized?

When I was in, the only infantry that got issued Barettas were 11C and officers. I think mechanized might have gotten them too, but they needed all the help they could get.

[-] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

I was 11H/11M, served in a hmmwv AT unit. I know they didn’t issue handguns to the 11B guys (except officers as you said) because it’s one more thing to carry.

But I had to qual on the M9 every year and I hated it because they were trash.

[-] sxan@midwest.social 1 points 3 months ago

Ah. Yeah. I should have been more specific. The point I was trying to get across is that handguns are a backup.

[-] KMAMURI@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

They're just all gonna tell you that only Republicans own guns and they can't possibly do the same.

[-] RejZoR@lemmy.ml 51 points 3 months ago

Isn't that literally due process?

[-] arotrios@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago
[-] Nay@feddit.nl 15 points 3 months ago

Essentially.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 21 points 3 months ago

They just keep giving me even more more reasons to never set foot in their country ever again.

[-] rational_lib@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

It would be hilarious if a reporter asked Trump to explain what habeas corpus is.

[-] j_elgato@leminal.space 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

An idiot is stripping us of our rights.

Yeah mate, We aren't laughing...

[-] rational_lib@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Well you gotta admit though, that's kinda hilarious. I mean just think of it - the most high and mighty nation about protecting rights, and then we just pick Mungo from Queens, who's like "Mungo no like habeas corpus!" And then we just go to the gulag or whatever. And people are running around like "Oh no why did we pick Mungo, what were we thinking." I mean it's at least kinda funny.

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I can tell you exactly what that looks like. Something something woke something something radical left something else restore America to what it was supposed to be. You might as well ask ChatGPT to explain the Klingon rite of Q'Ronor

[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 12 points 3 months ago

Ight, looks like we gonna play this the hard way

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

50501 is a DNC group pretending to be an activist org. They don’t oppose fascism. They just want a Democrat at the helm of it.

If you’re not convinced, read reports of how they’ve been sending cops after pro-Palestine & trans people at their events.

[-] kinther@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

What's the alternative? Please share your thoughts as I'm ignorant on this matter.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

There’s a number of socialist and progressive orgs across the country. I like PSL. But all of them are better than this PR op by the Dems attempting to redirect activist energy back to the party.

[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Arm yourselves. He is also hiring 20k white supremisist gang members for department of homeland security too.

[-] scathliath@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago

I'm suspending my compliance with the social contract further then. No warrant? No excuses to your bosses if you come to my door, I will be acting in judicious self defense.

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