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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by gradual@lemmings.world to c/games@lemmy.world

I'm talking about a new game but made with old graphics and mechanics similar to Megaman 9 & 10.

I personally think such a thing could sell gangbusters and honestly go on record as one of the greatest Pokemon games ever made, especially in recent years.

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[-] Elevator7009@lemmy.zip 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Absolutely yes. I much prefer the 2D Pokémon artstyle to the 3D models.

Also !pokemon@lemm.ee might like this question—kind of saddened to see things that would fit in active niche communities only ever get posted in a giant Games community, but it is also very unfair of me to expect everyone to know every community ever, and you generally get rewarded with more engagement in the big tent communities. Went and crossposted it myself.

[-] Hyphlosion@lemm.ee 2 points 12 hours ago

HD/2D Johto remake let’s fucking goooooooo

[-] Yermaw@lemm.ee 5 points 17 hours ago

I want to see pokemon red/blue/yellow absolutely fully maximum modernised. I want to go through the world in VR. I want to throw the poke balls into battle for real stashed on my belt. I want to be able to yell commands to a living, breathing pokemon dancing around in the arena.

[-] Nyticus@kbin.melroy.org 5 points 18 hours ago

No.

I'd want to see a mainline Pokemon game that actually meets in the middle between experienced players and newcomers. An entry that isn't seemingly too convoluted or stupid simple to approach, not to mention try to be interesting as a story. But I think GameFreak has long passed that point of making it interesting. Like where can you go with the story and lore after you had a generation that presented pokemon that controlled time, space, distortion while introducing what is essentially a pokemon 'god'? You really cannot go far above and beyond that.

[-] Hellmo_Luciferrari@lemm.ee 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I really stopped caring for Pokemon after X and Y, and Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. The switch games were big misses. I kinda liked Sword and Shield, but they had no lasting power on me. Scarlet and Violet are by far the worst Pokemon games to have ever come out of mainline Pokemon.

I didn't play through ~~Marcus~~ Arceus at all, even though I own it. Maybe I will give that a shot.

[-] Ace0fBlades@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Isn't this what Brilliant Diamond and Pearl were supposed to be? Granted had none of the fun stuff extras that omega ruby and sapphire added, but that was still the premise, right?

3d Pokémon can be done well and beautifully. Pokémon coliseum proved that years ago

[-] Hellmo_Luciferrari@lemm.ee 1 points 13 hours ago

I didn't play those more than the first gym. ORAS was infinitely better.

[-] Elevator7009@lemmy.zip 1 points 13 hours ago

Took me a little to realize Marcus was autocorrected Arceus. Pokémon Marcus sounds amusing.

[-] Hellmo_Luciferrari@lemm.ee 2 points 12 hours ago

Thank you for the laugh, I didn't catch that. Will edit my comment

[-] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 3 points 16 hours ago

3D was a mistake. Gen 5 is peak graphics

[-] Chozo@fedia.io 36 points 1 day ago

Honestly, I'd rather see another studio take a crack at the franchise. I don't know whether Gamefreak have lost a lot of important talent over the years or if they just got lazy because their games are guaranteed to sell no matter how poorly they're produced, but they do not know how to make games in the current era. Full stop. The last handful of mainline Pokemon titles have been unacceptably poor quality, and Nintendo won't light a fire under their ass because... why would they, when they're already printing money?

I think it would be wildly beneficial to the health of the franchise if a completely new studio took the wheel for a minute. They don't have to reinvent the game mechanics or take the story in some dark and gritty direction or anything like that, but if they just made it functional that'd already be a huge step up over Gamefreak's last few releases.

Personally, I'd love to see Retro Studios take a crack at a mainline Pokemon title. They've already got a very close relationship with Nintendo, and have released nothing but bangers.

[-] Barthosw@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Just go play pokemon unbound. It's better than anything nintendo would come up with.

[-] Elevator7009@lemmy.zip 2 points 12 hours ago

In general, Pokémon ROM hacks are cool and fans of the 2D or old game style like me should definitely give these more attention.

[-] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

Yup. Fan projects and indie games can fill this niche. Pokemon is the most profitable media franchise EVER. They should be innovating and improving, not chasing nostalgia.

[-] Yokozuna@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Wow I had no idea this was a thing and it looks A M A Z I N G. Thanks for mentioning it!

[-] Prox@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

I mean, this is just Cassette Beasts, and it is indeed a damn good game.

[-] mesamunefire@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

Such a good vibe game.

[-] towamo7603@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Remakes of Gen 1 or 2 in the style of Octopath Traveler or the FF Pixel Remasters would probably sell like gangbusters.

[-] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 3 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Ever since the switch to 3D, I knew they would never look back. Biggest reason why fan games are so valuable to me. The only thing I like about the upper half gens (not including 5) are the pokemon (case by case and not including regionals) and the terastal mechanic, in terms of the games and their mechanics. Gens 6-9 I really don't have almost any care for any of the important characters outside of the designs for characters/character art for characters like Geeta, Diantha, Brasius, Kiawe, and Rika. Those are pretty much the only characters who's names I could even remember.

That's mostly due to, in my opinion, when I think they started absolutely dumbing and watering down the story and characters so they could start focusing on nostalgia baiting people to keep them coming back while also completely dumbing down exploration as well. I think two of the only characters from gens 6-9 I really care about were Lysander and Kiawe because I thought Lysander's genocide plot was interesting enough and Kiawe only because of the episodes of the anime I saw (which is kinda cheating since the anime is where they put every ounce of character into 99.99% of all important NPCs).

Pretty sure a large amount of fans would absolutely love returning to an older form, at least aesthetically, myself included, but good luck convincing Sintendo of anything without getting their corporate legal open secret stasi (lawyers) getting involved.

[-] november@lemmy.vg 2 points 22 hours ago

Gens 6-9 I really don’t have almost any care for any of the important characters outside of the designs for characters/character art for characters like Geeta, Diantha, Brasius, Kiawe, and Rika. Those are pretty much the only characters who’s names I could even remember.

Not even Larry? That's cold.

[-] mesamunefire@piefed.social 7 points 1 day ago

If you would like to see something just like it, https://store.steampowered.com/app/1218210/Coromon/ scratches that itch.

[-] CrazM13@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Coromon is a great attempt with great mechanics and alright visuals, but man, did the pacing just kill it for me. I felt like the entire game was the tutorial, not because it was easy or anything, but because it was the slightly boring do-everything-once-to-learn-it slog that a very well done tutorial is. When I beat the game, I was excited to start playing before I realized it was, actually, seriously, the end.

[-] mesamunefire@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Did you have the game on a higher difficulty? I didnt have that experience, but I put it on one of the higher difficulties initially. I forget which but I found that more fun.

Its fair though, it wont be for everyone. Kinda like TemTem. I wanted to like TemTem, but the puzzles really sucked. So much so that I stopped playing the game halfway through.

[-] CrazM13@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I originally had it on, I think, a medium or normal difficulty. It was a while ago.

Like I said, though, it wasn't that it was easy. I liked the modular difficulty system a lot! The game just felt like a checklist. Pokémon gives you a mechanic (like the HMs of old or modern rideable Pokémon, or the bikes), and you really could play with them for quite some time exploring and experimenting. The only parts of Coromon I felt had that was the item finding app thing and the raft thing. The rest were just "get it, move on, never use it again."

I will give it that if your only goal is to have a battle with your friends game, Coromon is amazing! But if you want to enjoy the world, maybe not.

Still worth trying for anyone who likes Pokémon for the mechanics.

[-] mesamunefire@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago

The Rom hacks like pokemon unbound are wildly successful, so yeah a hifi graphic remake would sell like crazy.

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

at least to unova generation and a little 6th generation. not after MASUDA went all "i dont like pokemon anymore, so im going to create a half-assed game" aftER SWSH, and i have heard nothing but bad reviews from every game since, glad i dint get a switch.

they still have triple battles? and special and physical are not seperate anymore?

i mostly play card game LIVE, which is barely a functioning game.

[-] normonator@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

I would call the new ones not even interesting enough to pirate, so yes.

Something like sword/arceus style but not garbage with mechanics around the gba era.

So no giga dumbshit or similar but still special/physical change.

Also if we're requesting unicorns be brought to reality, more options. I wouldn't hate the all the new giga shit if I could disable its cutscenes. It wasn't even cool the first time.

[-] missingno@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago

A return to basics would be so much better than the rushed messes Game Freak puts out today.

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 21 hours ago

i believe masuda made it very clear at the beginning of the swsh announcment, said he was going to make a "half ass game going foward, simply becauses hes tired of the franchise", thats why every game has been a joke since.

masuda needs to hand it to another company, or have someone revamp the console games.

[-] CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

If it means a return to random encounters, no absolutely not. There's a reason I don't go back and replay the older games even though I have fond memories of them. That reason is largely Zubat. Fuck you Zubat.

But also, aside from a handful of bugs and performance problems Scarlet/Violet and Legends: Arceus are the best the franchise has ever been. I'd rather they refine what they're already doing and keep making things better rather then regress purely to appease someone's misguided nostalgia.

[-] FRYD@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

I’m not totally sure what that would add to the experience. The core battles are still the same, just with more added on. I like pixel graphics and old gameboy music, but I don’t see why people would buy it. It’s seems strange considering it would be the same game as before, but less.

Pokémon: Violet except: it’s 2D, scarcely animated, without double-battles, without shinies, without several types, without terastallizing, without the open world, without the rideable legendary, and so on.

That was me imagining it if it were limited to gen 1 gameplay. Maybe there’s a case to remake regions in like a style like emerald, but I still think it’s just a game that already exists but with less.

If you don’t know about them already, you should look into pokémon rom-hacks. Some are kinda like what you described, but they add their own twist like changing the story, adding new types, or adding newer pokémon or mechanics. A lot of them are really well made too.

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

I'd say Pokémon is one of the franchises to which the transition to 3D added nothing of value to the experience. Every 3D Pokémon has been ugly as sin.

[-] FRYD@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

I definitely think the quality on the 3D models could be better, but I think the move to 3D has made the game more immersive and things like the size variations are charming details that makes “your” pokémon feel more unique. I was mainly questioning whether a product like that would actually sell well enough to be worth the effort, not making any statement of which is superior.

[-] gradual@lemmings.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You know, sometimes less is more.

Just because there's more "stuff" in a game like Violet doesn't mean it adds to the overall experience. Sometimes it detracts from it. A lot of times it detracts from it.

This is of course all subjective and if you enjoy the additional mechanics, it's good you have them. There are of course others out there who would disagree with you and appreciate a more "core" experience in a Pokemon game.

Pokémon: Violet except: it’s 2D, scarcely animated, without double-battles, without shinies, without several types, without terastallizing, without the open world, without the rideable legendary, and so on.

In my opinion, they can keep everything you've mentioned except terastallizing, a rideable legendary, and probably a good amount of your "and so on." I'm pretty sure Pokemon games have had an open world since the beginning, but maybe some people have different ideas of what constitutes an open world.

[-] FRYD@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

If you want a pokémon game without new things, why want a new pokémon game? That doesn’t really make sense to me. I don’t think most of the gimmicks they’ve made have throughout the gens have been very good, but I appreciate them for the splash of novelty and I just ignore the ones I don’t like because I know they’re not permanent. I almost never tera-ed my mons in violet, I just grinded levels and planned my party like I have for 20 years.

By open world, I meant being able to travel through most routes and towns without a black screen or loading screen.

That said I wasn’t making a quality statement. I was comparing the most recent game with the first and I don’t know how there would be a significant market for a much more clunky version of an existing game with a huge chunk of features removed.

[-] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 1 points 1 day ago

Not particularly, but I've played maybe 40 minutes of pokemon in my life total so my opinion probably shouldn't count.

More zelda like aLttP, though....

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