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Good job everyone blocking and boycotting .ml! It's having an effect, users are noticing and MAUs on their comms are falling! (lemmy.world)
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And for anyone asking "Why are we boycotting/blocking lemmy.ml?" Here's a quick recap:

Lemmy.ml is an instance run by admins who are hardcore tankies and will enforce their ideology on their instance through various means from allowing (and pushing it themselves) propaganda (Such as Russia being justified in some way to invade Ukraine) and known propaganda outlets (Like RT) to removing content on their instance critical of their favored authoritarian regimes such as Russia or China and even banning users for such speech or speech critical of them if it's off their instance (Just like the Reddit mods of ol!).

If it was just some random instance it would have been defederated from long ago like the rest of the "Tankie Triad" (Hexbear and Lemmygrad), but they've positioned lemmy.ml as the "flagship" instance and abused that position and influence to become large enough to keep other instances from defederating from them.

Which I believe is harmful to the Lemmy-verse's overall growth and outside reputation. I have seen it come up before on Reddit threads (and other testimonials from people who came back and tried it again) that "They tried Lemmy but it was a bunch of tankies and went back to Reddit"

I don't know about you, but I'd prefer Lemmy to not end up with the reputation for being "Tankie Central " or even worse "Voat 2.0".

So if you haven't joined the boycott yet, join today and help us foster a better healthier Lemmy-verse!

You can take a look around here on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works for documentation of it or checkout this list of curated documentation

On bans and censorships:

https://lemmy.world/post/28480760

https://lemmy.world/post/28481615

https://lemmy.world/post/28482147

https://lemmy.world/post/28480936

https://lemmy.world/post/28482273

https://lemmy.world/post/28481272

https://lemmy.world/post/28481064

https://lemmy.world/post/27674360

https://lemmy.world/post/27674117

https://lemmy.world/post/27673934

https://lemmy.world/post/27673724

https://lemmy.world/post/27577337

https://lemmy.world/post/27378634

https://lemmy.world/post/27346630

https://lemmy.world/post/27341283

https://lemmy.world/post/27288224

https://lemmy.world/post/27156418

https://lemmy.world/post/27054157

https://lemmy.world/post/27008261

Allowing altered headlines and permitting known propaganda outlets:

https://lemmy.world/post/28275465

https://lemmy.world/post/27428838

https://lemmy.world/post/27416097

https://lemmy.world/post/27314050

https://lemmy.world/post/27288953

Spreading Russia talking points like the Ukraine invasion just being a "negotiating tactic" !https://lemmy.world/post/27012640

General negative sentiment to other instances who haven't "seen the way" yet: https://lemmy.world/post/27426510

Open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines (head admin)) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415

"concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren't that bad" https://lemmy.world/post/26985447

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[-] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 days ago

could you pls put the exclamation marks on the links to those posts in the same way you did for !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works ?

thanks for this concise list of stuff .ml has done btw

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

~~Edited, but I wasn't aware it was needed for direct posts URLs, does it not work on your client if there's no exclamation mark?~~

Reverted

[-] tal@lemmy.today 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You had it right originally. You can't do what he's asking for, which is unfortunately something that Lemmy doesn't support today. See my response to him. The exclamation syntax lets you make a link that, when viewed by viewers on different home instances, will take them to a view of that community on their own home instance. Can't be done (today, anyway) for posts or comments, which is what you're linking to.

EDIT: Looking on fedia.io, it looks like unlike lemmy, mbin automatically converts links to other instances to local links, without any special syntax. All of your links on fedia.io's view of your post are to views of the posts on fedia.io.

I suppose that mbin's approach might get a bit annoying if you want to link explicitly to the other instance, for troubleshooting or something, but I think that it's probably addressing the most-common situation that people want correctly.

EDIT2: Looking at piefed.social, piefed appears to have lemmy-style behavior rather than mbin-style behavior and doesn't convert the links to local ones.

EDIT3: And for completeness, since my own home instance runs a number of alternate lemmy Web UIs, and those could theoretically do the conversion in the frontend:

EDIT4: Oh, wait. Voyager is working. It just doesn't use the same URL path syntax as the other frontends.

Voyager does not do the conversion, so lemmy-style behavior.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

LMAO ah the intricacies of Lemmy lol

[-] aeharding@vger.social 1 points 1 day ago

Voyager keeps Lemmy links in app. What problem are you experiencing with that?

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[-] blinfabian@feddit.nl 22 points 2 days ago

so thats why ive been seeing so much communist propaganda lately

[-] h4x0r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 days ago

For sure, I only want to see capitalist propaganda.

[-] kittenzrulz123 11 points 1 day ago

Then make a .world account and look at local posts

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[-] kittenzrulz123 11 points 1 day ago

Idk, I personally find that ML isnt that bad. Granted I may be a bit biased as a leftist but when I discuss my Anarchist positions I see significantly less censorship than world. Furthemore whenever I see massive Transphobic spam attacks its 9/10 from world. In addition I have had far more genuene conversations on ml communities and with ml users. However I cannot say the same for world users/communities which are known to shut down discussion by calling it "tankie" (yes even Anarchist discussion). Due to that it has become abundantly clear to me that the term "tankie" has very little if anything to do with authoritarianism and everything to do with leftism.

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

significantly less censorship than world.

Haven't been on this comm much eh?

[-] kittenzrulz123 3 points 1 day ago

I have, I have also seen world comms ban even mild critique of the Democrats. For people who claim to hate tankies y'all do enforce blind loyalty to the party quite often.

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[-] peteypete420@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago

Thanks for the recap. I kinda get the instance federation stuff, but not fully. I realize they are flagship or whatever, but it aint like its that big a ship, even on the biggest one. Is there any consideration of defederating them now?

[-] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 13 points 2 days ago

I'm on Mbin and started on Kbin, so I've tied my cart to a sequence of single devs. But, are there any Lemmy devs who aren't connected to ML?

[-] gigachad@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago

I think both the Lemmy main developers @nutomic@lemmy.ml and @dessalines@lemmy.ml are also the ml Admins. There are other contributors but none of them is doing this as their main job.

[-] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 5 points 1 day ago

That makes it a challenge. If you defed from them, you might lose access to upstream patches, or beta features. I'd love for Mbin to become the standard-bearer for the threadiverse, but Lemmy has gotten name recognition.

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[-] brown567@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago

I've had them muted on Boost for a while, haven't missed 'em XD

[-] pewgar_seemsimandroid 8 points 1 day ago

@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone

[-] superkret@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago

Which I believe is harmful to the Lemmy-verse’s overall growth and outside reputation.

Those admins you say are hurting lemmy are literally the developers who made it.
Also, fuck growth. It's the cancer that drives enshittyfication and destroys our planet.

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[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 11 points 2 days ago

Thanks for the recap!

Anyone wanna remind me how to block an entire instance? I’m on Fedia, if that matters.

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[-] AMillionNames@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

What I wish is that you didn't need to depend on your instance to block other instances so much, but that it was easier to block comments and posts coming from those instances at a personal level. It is very buggy in some instances. I also wish that when a user that is blocked or banned from an instance or the user of a comment or a post they are replying to, it would indicate so. It isn't that there is no reply to what they are saying, it's that we are not bothering with it, and that would make it obvious when it happens.

[-] bob_lemon@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

What I wish is that you didn't need to depend on your instance to block other instances so much, but that it was easier to block comments and posts coming from those instances at a personal level.

You can block any instance in your account settings, same as communities or users.

[-] andybytes@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago

Russia won ww2 get over it

[-] Aeri@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

You can use any instance you want, except well...

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