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[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 47 points 2 years ago

Reminder that flight attendants only get paid while the plane doors are closed. All of the flight prep, onboarding, stowing baggage, deplaning afterwards, cleanup afterwards, etc is entirely unpaid.

[-] Zron@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago

I still don’t understand how that’s legal.

Their place of employment is the airplane, they have duties that are required to be performed before and after passengers embark, they should be payed the moment they step foot on the aircraft.

It’s not legal for a retail store to not pay you while closing up the store, so why is legal for airlines to not pay attendant when the plane is open.

[-] grayman@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

The funniest part of this is that there's approved union contact in place that agrees with this statement. How is it that both sides could agree to what appears to be illegal?

[-] Zron@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

How can a union contract supersede state and federal law?

[-] grayman@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

If a contract existed before a law, there can be an exception. It's rather unfortunate.

[-] persolb@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago

That’s insane. Especially considering the scope of thier ‘doors closed’ normal job is a nightmare.

I had to google this because it is so absurd I didn’t believe it:

https://flightattendant.pro/flight-attendant-pay-explained/#:~:text=The%20flight%20attendant%20will%20continue,hotel%20room%20for%20the%20night.

[-] CoderKat@lemm.ee 39 points 2 years ago

99.5% (with 93% of eligible employees voting) is a stunning number. But also one that tragically highlights how bad it has gotten. It's very hard to get so many people to agree on much these days. But they virtually all agree that the pay is too damn low.

[-] rynzcycle@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago

In the second quarter of 2023, the company reported profits of $1.34 billion, with revenue rising to a quarterly record for the company of $14 billion.

It hasn't gotten that bad for everyone. What a broken system.

[-] Rilichu@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

So AA has ~130,000 employees so at $1.34B that's about $10,000/employee. Seems like they got plenty in the old war chest to be giving out raises left and right so surely that's what they're doing, right?

[-] rynzcycle@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

They're not. And don't call me Shirley.

[-] blazera@kbin.social 21 points 2 years ago

Dont be too disruptive now or Biden might stop you

[-] persolb@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago

Are all the downvotes forgetting about the railroad strike?

I agree that it was disruptive, but neutering a union action makes it near pointless.

[-] DesertCreosote@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago

Except the rail union got what they wanted, and credited Biden's administration for making it happen.

https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid

[-] blazera@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago

fuck IBEW they were anti-collective bargaining Biden apologists before Biden banned rail unions right to strike. They're electrical workers not rail workers, they always had sick days.

[-] DesertCreosote@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

As the press release I linked explains, IBEW represents a lot of rail workers, though not all. Sick leave agreements have also been reached with several other rail workers unions, which means that around 60% of rail workers now have sick leave. That's still less than it should be, and the unions should not stop pushing until 100% of workers have sick leave, but it's progress.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/most-unionized-us-rail-workers-now-have-new-sick-leave-2023-06-05/

[-] blazera@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

IBEW represents no rail workers. they have one small branch representing a few electrical workers that work at railroads. But because they've been the biggest Biden apologists, rich folks have latched onto them as the face of rail unions. Look, they're happy to not be allowed to collectively bargain.

Unions shouldnt stop pushing, they were fucking banned from pushing for sick leave. How can they ever bargain for anything ever again after this precedent?

[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

Unionize unionize unionize!

All the support to them

Pretty risky calling in an air strike on American soil

[-] Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 years ago

TLDR: they can start striking as soon as 30 days, pending the cooling off period and regulator support. They are looking for an immediate 35% pay raise with annual raises of 6%

[-] Worldofwaa@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

99.5 percent support with a .5 percent margin of error

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