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A chart titled "What Kind of Data Do AI Chatbots Collect?" lists and compares seven AI chatbots—Gemini, Claude, CoPilot, Deepseek, ChatGPT, Perplexity, and Grok—based on the types and number of data points they collect as of February 2025. The categories of data include: Contact Info, Location, Contacts, User Content, History, Identifiers, Diagnostics, Usage Data, Purchases, Other Data.

  • Gemini: Collects all 10 data types; highest total at 22 data points
  • Claude: Collects 7 types; 13 data points
  • CoPilot: Collects 7 types; 12 data points
  • Deepseek: Collects 6 types; 11 data points
  • ChatGPT: Collects 6 types; 10 data points
  • Perplexity: Collects 6 types; 10 data points
  • Grok: Collects 4 types; 7 data points
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[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 136 points 2 weeks ago
[-] exothermic@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Are there tutorials on how to do this? Should it be set up on a server on my local network??? How hard is it to set up? I have so many questions.

[-] Kiuyn@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I recommend GPT4all if you want run locally on your PC. It is super easy.

If you want to run in a separate server. Ollama + some kind of web UI is the best.

Ollama can also be run locally but IMO it take more learning than GUI app like GPT4all.

[-] codexarcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago

If by more learning you mean learning

ollama run deepseek-r1:7b

Then yeah, it's a pretty steep curve!

If you're a developer then you can also search "$MyFavDevEnv use local ai ollama" to find guides on setting up. I'm using Continue extension for VS Codium (or Code) but there's easy to use modules for Vim and Emacs and probably everything else as well.

The main problem is leveling your expectations. The full Deepseek is a 671b (that's billions of parameters) and the model weights (the thing you download when you pull an AI) are 404GB in size. You need so much RAM available to run one of those.

They make distilled models though, which are much smaller but still useful. The 14b is 9GB and runs fine with only 16GB of ram. They obviously aren't as impressive as the cloud hosted big versions though.

[-] Kiuyn@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

My assumption is always the person I am talking to is a normal window user who don't know what a terminal is. Most of them even freak out when they see "the black box with text on it". I guess on Lemmy the situation is better. It is just my bad habit.

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[-] smee@poeng.link 4 points 2 weeks ago

Or if using flatpak, its an add-on for Alpaca. One click install, GUI management.

Windows users? By the time you understand how to locally install AI, you're probably knowledgeable enough to migrate to linux. What the heck is the point of using local AI for privacy while running windows?

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Check out Ollama, it’s probably the easiest way to get started these days. It provides tooling and an api that different chat frontends can connect to.

[-] TangledHyphae@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

https://ollama.ai/, this is what I've been using for over a year now, new models come out regularly and you just "ollama pull " and then it's available to run locally. Then you can use docker to run https://www.openwebui.com/ locally, giving it a ChatGPT-style interface (but even better and more configurable and you can run prompts against any number of models you select at once.)

All free and available to everyone.

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[-] TuxEnthusiast@sopuli.xyz 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If only my hardware could support it..

[-] skarn@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 weeks ago

I can actually use locally some smaller models on my 2017 laptop (though I have increased the RAM to 16 GB).

You'd be surprised how mich can be done with how little.

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[-] Cris16228@lemmy.today 95 points 2 weeks ago

Me when Gemini (aka google) collects more data than anyone else:

Not really shocked, we all know that google sucks

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 32 points 2 weeks ago

I would hazard a guess that the only reason those others aren't as high is because they don't have the same access to data. It's not that they don't want to, they simply can't (yet).

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[-] WreckingBANG@lemmy.ml 49 points 2 weeks ago

Who would have guessed that the advertising company collects a lot of data

[-] will_a113@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 weeks ago

And I can't possibly imagine that Grok actually collects less than ChatGPT.

[-] Chronographs@lemmy.zip 26 points 2 weeks ago

Data from surfshark aka nordvpn lol. Take it with a few chunks of salt

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[-] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 46 points 2 weeks ago
[-] tonyn@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

How much VRAM does your machine have? Are you using open webui?

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[-] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 weeks ago

And what about goddamn Mistral?

[-] Sunny@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

Its French as far as I know so at least it abides to gdpr by default.

[-] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

All services you see above are provided to EU citizens, which is why they also have to abide by GDPR. GDPR does not disallow the gathering of information. Google, for example, is GDPR compliant, yet they are number 1 on that list. That’s why I would like to know if European companies still try to have a business case with personal data or not.

[-] Sunny@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If it's one thing I don't trust its non-EU companies following GDPR. Sure they're legally bound to, but l mean Meta doesn't care so why should the rest.

(Yes I'm being overly dramatic about this, but I've lost trust ages ago in big tech companies)

[-] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago

Fully agree, which is also why I choose EU/Swiss made services by default

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[-] kirk781@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Back in the day, malware makers could only dream of collecting as much data as Gemini does.

[-] knighthawk0811@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 weeks ago

I'm interested in seeing how this changes when using duck duck go front end at duck.ai

there's no login and history is stored locally (probably remotely too)

[-] abdominable@lemm.ee 20 points 2 weeks ago

I have a bridge to sell you if you think grok is collecting the least amount of info.

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[-] demunted@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 weeks ago
[-] MoonRaven@feddit.nl 12 points 2 weeks ago

Fascists. Why?

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[-] sonalder@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Anyone has these data from Mistral, HuggingChat and MetaAI ? Would be nice to add them too

Edit : Leo from brave would be great to compare too

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago

Note this is if you use their apps. Not the api. Not through another app.

[-] will_a113@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

Not that we have any real info about who collects/uses what when you use the API

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah we do, they list it in privacy policies. Many of these they can't really collect even if they wanted to

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Gemini: "Other Data"

Like, what's fucking left!?

[-] Gadg8eer@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The Broligarchy: "Everything."

Me: Squints Pours glowing demon tanning lotion on ground

Trump: "You dare dispute my rule?! And you would have these... mongrels... come here to die?"

Open Source Metaverse online. Launching Anti-StarLink missiles...

Warning. FOSS Metaverse alternative launch detected.

The Broligarchy: "This was not how it was supposed to be..."

Me: "Times change. But war, war never changes."

...

"We will never be slaves. But we WILL be online. For the Open Source Metaverse we deserve!"

Anyway, hopefully that's the real future in some sense. The metaverse is, technologically, in a state resembling 1995's World Wide Web. We can stop the changes that made social media happen the first time, but that comes at a grave cost of it's own... Zero tolerance for interference with the FOSS paradigm. This means no censorship even for the most vile of content, and no government authority over online activity ever again. It also means we have less than 150 years to become immortal because having children inherently puts kids at risk of sexual exploitation, so everyone - literally everyone - must be made infertile permanently to make that impossible.

Life extension is actually plausible, and omnispermicide would make denying it a war crime. That is the only fix I can see, but all of you would never pay it. That is why I stopped writing; every goddamn story and society at large championed "anti-escapism" in 2017 and onwards, and I will NEVER forgive you all for that. Fuck reality. I Have No Truth and I Must Dream. I want to die because I hate you all.

[-] krnl386@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 weeks ago

Wow, it’s a whole new level of f*cked up when Zuck collects more data than the Winnie the Pooh (DeepSeek). 😳

[-] Octagon9561@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago

The idea that US apps are somehow better than Chinese apps when it comes to collecting and selling user data is complete utter propaganda.

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[-] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago

Or you could use Deepseek's workaround and run it locally. You know, open source and all.

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 6 points 2 weeks ago

Almost none of this data is possible to collect when using Tor Browser

[-] serenissi@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Nope, these services almost always require user login, eventually tied to cell number (ie non disposable) and associate user content and other data points with account. Nonetheless user prompts are always collected. How they're used is a good question.

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 4 points 2 weeks ago

Use a third party API. Pay with monero.

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[-] altphoto@lemmy.today 5 points 2 weeks ago

Is there away to fake all the data they try to collect?

[-] subatomic4771@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

I just came across this article which for people who are into self hosting can take a look and participate. It's basically a tool that generating never ending web pages with non sense that load slow (but not too slow the AI tools move on) to slow down and thus cost them more to scrape the internet if enough people are doing it. You can also hide it in a way that legit user would never see this on your site:

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/01/ai-haters-build-tarpits-to-trap-and-trick-ai-scrapers-that-ignore-robots-txt/ https://zadzmo.org/code/nepenthes/

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Pretty sure this is what they scrape from your device if you install their app. I dont know how else they would get access to contacts and location and stuff. So yeah you can just run it on a virtual android device and feed it garbage data, but i assume the app or their backend will detect that and throw out your data.

How about if I only use the web version?

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[-] arakhis_@feddit.org 5 points 2 weeks ago

anyone whos competent in the matter: what about the french competition chat.mistral.ai

[-] TangledHyphae@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

+1 for Mistral, they were the first (or one of the first) Apache open source licensed models. I run Mistral-7B and variant fine tunes locally, and they've always been really high quality overall. Mistral-Medium packed a punch (mid-size obviously) but it definitely competes with the big ones at least.

[-] scintilla@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

Am I missing something? What do the numbers mean in relation to the type? Sub types?

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