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10 lessons for stronger movements (piefed.social)

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[-] lazycog@feddit.uk 7 points 2 weeks ago

This comment section is gathering personal attacks so we are locking it.

Additionally: we don't have a rule against AI generated images, so we had a discussion about this and wanted to hear what the !buyeuropean@feddit.uk community thinks about it before acting on the reports.

Will announce more about the AI discussion soon in a separate post.

[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 85 points 2 weeks ago

Now get a human to redraw this.

[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 49 points 2 weeks ago

seriously, I'm thinking of blocking the users who keep spamming these AI bullshits.

[-] Wanpieserino@lemm.ee 6 points 2 weeks ago

Mate, my wife can hand craft you a scarf for 1000 euros, it will just take quite some time because she isn't a machine. The quality will be of that of a 10 euros scarf, but hey, it took a lot of labour hours.

[-] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

The irony of commenting this on this post.

[-] atro_city@fedia.io 16 points 2 weeks ago

perfectionism is the enemy of progress

This is a "buy european" community, not an anti-AI one. This image gets the message across. It doesn't have to pass a purity test.

[-] asteriskeverything@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Woah how can you tell here? I have been bamboozled

[-] BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The text made me suspicious - I never really thought about why it looks weird, but from closer inspection it looks like almost every letter is unique. It just has such an uncanny look. If it was made with a normal font then letters should be near identical. I suppose some artists who hand draw text could be caught up, but I don't think that's common unless they're drawing a uniquely stylized font. For fonts like this that are just plain, it wouldn't make sense to hand draw each character.

The 2 apostrophes in don't and doesn't in the bottom left are a super obvious example

[-] Ardyssian@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Not OP but when I saw the font it reminded me of the same font used in AI generated drawings with words. Can't be sure though, usually there's some defect in the words but not this one

[-] Little8Lost@lemmy.world 39 points 2 weeks ago

"for the people"
Continues to cross post ai corpo "art"

[-] atro_city@fedia.io 13 points 2 weeks ago

critique to build, not to tear down

#1 dude. Be better.

[-] hAx0R@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago

Critiquing to build or critiquing to tear down?

[-] Little8Lost@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

critiquing the use of AI. I am one of the people who wants the ai images to just stop

[-] hAx0R@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

will that help a mass-scale leftist movement form and avoid splits?

[-] AnonomousWolf@lemm.ee 32 points 2 weeks ago

I often see people giving others flack for switching to Proton because their CEO etc.

But any step in the right direction should be praised, Proton etc. Is far from perfect, but it's so much better then never moving away from Google / Microsoft etc.

[-] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 weeks ago

Upvote cause good point, but I have to really mention that OpSec is a black and white thing.

You make one OpSec mistake and you're cooked. Look how they got Ross Ulbricht.

Meshtastic seems to me to be easiest to have good OpSec at the moment and I really hope we can develop it further.

[-] huppakee@lemm.ee 18 points 2 weeks ago

This reply by @pelespirit@sh.itjust.works on the original post may help someone here:

Imperfect Allies Aren't Enemies

Critique to build, not tear down

Organize, don't just argue

Movements win, not individuals

Perfection is the enemy of progress

Ego kills movements

Plan for the long game

Meet people where they are

Power doesn't care about feelings

Division is a weapon used by elites, don't play along

[-] dumnezero@piefed.social 16 points 2 weeks ago

[-] nublug 13 points 2 weeks ago

daily reminder that luddites weren't against new tech out of fear or misunderstanding, they were against the owner class hoarding all extra productivity as wealth instead of reducing workload and/or increasing pay for the workers alongside tech advancements.

[-] AnonomousWolf@lemm.ee 6 points 2 weeks ago

Sabotaging new tools and machines hinders progress.

If we didn't have sewing machines or washing machines we'd be spending so much time on clothing.

New technology comes with issues, and wealth needs to be distributed.

But if we didn't use new technology we'd still be in the stone age.

[-] taladar@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago

Your mistake is to ignore the 90% of "new technology" that never got anywhere. "new" doesn't automatically mean that it is useful and will succeed much in the same way that "old" doesn't automatically mean it is reliable and has been used for a good reason.

[-] AnonomousWolf@lemm.ee 6 points 2 weeks ago

Sure but, Why sabotage new technology?

Let it be survival of the fittest.

The invention of Email cost many people in the paper industry their jobs. But the world is a better place with email instead of post.

There is a price to progress.

[-] taladar@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

Nobody is sabotaging new technology, some of them are just crap all on their own and AI certainly falls into that category.

[-] Tartufo@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

I wouldn't lump all of AI together tbh. If it's used to help doctors diagnose things (like early stage cancer or whatever) or used to better sort flashcards for you when you're using those to learn something? What we call AI (I'm honestly kinda missing the "I" part everywhere) can be awesome there.

The absolute garbage that should never have existed is this so-called "creative AI" that just regurgitates bits of previously stolen art.

[-] taladar@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

A lot of the classification stuff is crap too, like that one that was meant to identify tanks in satellite images but turned out to just pick images with clouds instead.

Mostly it is this whole new generation of AI where nobody really understands how it gets to the result and nobody can incrementally improve things that is a problem.

Classic machine learning with neural nets and similar mechanisms is just as good or bad as it was before the current hype.

[-] Tartufo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah I agree there. The term "AI" is treated as if it were the coming of God and the solution to all (non)existing problems and who would dare question God when he looks into your face? (Provided you believe in God that is.) Which is a major part of the actually existing problem with that stuff.

People already look at me funny when I call a smartphone my language's equivalent of "mobile phone". I always explain that well... it may be a phone among things, but it's NOT smart. Yet somehow many seem to believe that because it has "smart" in it's name it's actually better, when actually it really heavily depends on what you want/need.

[-] AnonomousWolf@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

I'm commenting on the cartoon shared that seems to praise past movements where people sabotaged sewing machines etc.

[-] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

If only the [insert subgroup that vaguely annoys me] would listen to this!

[-] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

Did an AI make this image?

[-] Tiger@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

I’m all for the resistance, but I thought this was going to be about bowel movements.

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