[…]it's not about the Canadians or Americans. This is about one guy. That will not stop them from coming,”
It’s about 70 million people, and the additional 80 million who were silent.
While I welcome tourists, I worry for them. Now doesn't seem like a good time to leave the US with plans to go back; you may just not be permitted to return, citizenship or not.
This is my biggest fear tbh. I have friends I'd love to see in plenty of places, but leaving isn't the worry. Coming back is, especially being trans with a passport of my correct gender marker
Only to then be disappeared into Federal custody, have my updated birth certificate deemed illegitimate and shipped off to God knows where
as a dual citizen living in Canada, I won't be visiting family for at least 4 years. this asshole is ruining everything for everybody. it's hard to believe the amount of damage he's done in 12 weeks
That sounds like a win to me
Not if you left all your family, friends, and assets behind (car, house, valuables, etc) with plans to return.
Now your stuck in a foreign country essentially seeking asylum unexpectedly.
It my be fine for some, but most people aren't prepared to suddenly uproot their entire lives with 0 warning or planning.
I genuinely think that I'd be better off seeking asylum in another country, even though I'm pretty comfortable in the US. I'd certainly be having fewer panic attacks.
Sure, and that's something you can decide to do.
The point is there's a very big difference between deciding to leave the country permanently to a chosen destination, bringing what you can with you; vs leaving for a short holiday and suddenly being told what you thought was home won't let you return.
Worse; just because you're in Canada on a visitor's visa and the US decides it's doesn't want to let you back in, doesn't mean you'll just be turned around and accepted back into Canada (or wherever you're visiting) instead. You may just be detained by US authorities and deported to wherever they decide.
Welcome to your new home in an El Salvador prison camp...
Do you think Canada would allow a US citizen to seek asylum (yet at least)? I assumed that they'd just dump you in the US and whatever happens next isn't their problem.
What generally happens to one who enters Canada on a tourist visa, and overstays? Are they generally on top of that shit and will find you and give you the boot? Or is it like a "lay low, don't draw attention to yourself, and you can fly under the radar" type thing?
Asking for a friend.
If the gentleman in the homeless shelter, I was working at was telling the truth they just kick you out if they discover they are working without proper license or residence or whatever
Canada can keep me if they want to. I have a buddy in Toronto I could meet!
I've definitely thought about it, but am currently far too embarrassed to be a US tourist, especially in Canada. I really should, though, I'd much rather give Canada my money than the US.
No worries eh, we get it. Come on over!
Plus, if you need to buy absolutely anything, enjoy a nice discount on our non-tariffed goods - iphones, spices, car tires, fill your boots.
Just don't take the boxes with you. You came over with all that capiche?
~~For other Americans that don't speak British English, in this case "boot" = the trunk of your car.~~
Edit: apparently this is incorrect, however to quote the dictator of Liberia in the movie Lord of War: "Thank you, but I prefer it my way "
Hey, we're not THAT British. We just like to sprinkle some 'u's into our words to make them more colourful. A boot goes on your foot and it is also how you pronounce about.
Yeah, fair enough. Someone else told me the origin of the phrase. I've somehow managed to avoid it for 44 years. It just made more sense to me to be the British usage of the word. More space to carry stuff in.
Just don’t wear an American flag on anything and you’ll be fine!
too embarrassed to be a US tourist, especially in Canada.
Don't be. As long as you aren't wearing MAGA or Trump gear, we'll assume you're one of the good ones.
Besides, MAGA are probably too scared to come to woke Canada.
Yeah but you definitely want to hit up canda first so you can get enough stuff to look canadian when going anywhere else.
I’ve always wanted to go visit our neighbors to the north, but honestly, I’m now scared of just trying to return. Much love to you all in Canada.
There are worse things than being stuck in Canada.
I thought the implication was being detained or jailed by US officials going back, like being sent to an El Salvador prison.
Why return?
We’re aware you all are having a housing crisis. It wouldn’t be fair to dump a lot more of that issue on you.
Although I would certainly love to move up there if I had a choice.
We're having a housing cost issue, but despite all reports saying there is a shortage of houses - I don't know if I believe it. Maybe in specific areas and maybe of a certain type.
But everywhere around me houses are sitting and sitting and sitting until the sellers lower the price enough that someone buys it.
American citizens haven't been getting detained at the border like people from outside the states and I doubt they ever will be. Secret police can just scoop you up on the streets if they really want to go after you
Yet. Apparently the Fanta Menace is exploring ways to do just that.
❤️
And consider locking your shit down before returning.
https://www.eff.org/wp/digital-privacy-us-border-2017#part-1
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/mar/26/phone-search-privacy-us-border-immigration
Returning?
I see what you did there.
In addition to what these articles recommend, you should turn off your device before going through customs. If you decide to power it on or not, that's up to you. However, you should NOT unlock it for the first time.
Your phone (either android or iPhone) forensically has two states - BFU (before first unlock) and AFU (after first unlock). You may not think this is a big difference but it's actually huge. After your device has its first unlock it's much more susceptible to forensic data extraction. The BFU state on several devices is, as far as publicly known, immune to AFU extraction with Cellebrite. Naturally older devices or those that weren't designed with security in mind are susceptible in either state.
Look into GrapheneOS and their user forum if you want to learn more about this as well as what devices have decent protection against forensic data extraction
tl,dr - power off and optionally back on your phone but don't do the first login if you want to deny your device being searched or at least to make it as difficult and as expensive as possible for your data to be extracted forensically.
Source - I'm a cybersecurity professional
There's an Android app on the Play store that will reboot your phone on a timer. It doesn't need root, but because of that it's a little wonky. But it does work. My phone reboots every night now.
I have a good friend in Canada (Saskatchewan) who has visited us in the States a couple times now. Thinking of doing the drive up this summer to visit her and support the Canadian economy (even if just a little) for a change. If I do, I'll probably tape a sign next to my Colorado license plate that at the very least says "sorry!"
lol. Do it. That'll win hearts.
Moving there soon. Never ever gonna call myself an American. This country is an embarrassment.
I'd rather call myself by my country of birth, or even the state I live in
I noticed that often, when traveling, people from the U.S. will say the state they're from rather than the country. I've often wondered why.
I think it’s because the United States is a large place and it helps place the region/culture they’re from specifically.
Canada is bigger (2nd largest country in the world) and nobody answers by province.
Well, part of it is that almost every time I've said "The States" when asked that question in Europe they look at me like 'no shit Sherlock I'm not an idiot' and then ask where in the States. So it may be an efficiency thing for some. I still try to lead with the States as my answer.
Because of course we know USA geography, eh?
Personally, because I've never felt pride in this stupid country and don't want to be associated with red states. It's like how Torontoans might feel about Albertans, but replace any semblance of national unity with utmost disgust.
Also, NY is close enough to Canada that most Canadians know roughly where it is, especially in Ontario
In 2018 my partner and two of our dearest friends traveled in Canada for 2 weeks. It was an amazing trip. Amazing nature, fantastic food, and the locals were lovely. Canada is fucking awesome.
Taking the train to Montreal next month to visit. Speed run to find a wife lol.
Montréal is a beautiful city, even after traveling around I can assure you it's worth the trip 😁
I took Amtrak from NYC to Montreal last year for the eclipse, I had a great time.
Would have been technically faster to drive, but the flip side is that I didn't have to drive, and it was a beautiful ride. And once I was there I definitely didn't miss having a car, I found everything to be very walkable and the subway beat anything I've personally used in the US. If the weather is nice I'd probably also consider using their bike share.
Assuming you're doing the same train, just a heads up that Amtrak WiFi is practically useless. Make sure you have whatever you need downloaded before then because a lot of the way had spotty or no cell service. Bring a pen, you're gonna have to fill out a form at the border crossing and pens seemed to be in short supply on the train. The Canadian border agents when we went seemed like they were kind of dicks, but I think that's just kind of a feature of border crossing officials around the world. Coming back the American ones seemed a bit more chill but a lot has changed since last year. The food options on board aren't amazing so you'll probably want to pack some snacks, but they'll hold you over for the ride.
Some other unsolicited advice/highlights from my trip-
If you've got the wiggle room in your budget, au pied de cochon was hands-down the best meal I've ever had in my life. In general all the food I had there was amazing but I can't recommend that place enough.
The biodome, planetarium, and insectarium were really cool.
There was a store we stumbled into in the plateau- mycoboutique, that sold all kinds of mushroom stuff. Dried mushrooms, mushroom foods, mushroom growing stuff, various mushroom themed bric-a-brac. My wife and I are big mushroom eaters so we loved that. The stand-out though was an ice cream made from maple milky cap mushrooms. It contained no maple, just the mushrooms and it tasted just like you'd want a maple syrup ice cream to taste.
Take some time to explore the "underground city"/RESO, for the most part it just kind of feels like a shopping mall, but it's kind of amazing just how far you can get around in the city without setting foot outside.
The art museum seemed pretty cool, but unfortunately the day we tried to go someone had apparently called in a bomb threat so we didn't get to see that.
Poutine, smoked meat, bagels of course.
Everyone we ran into seemed to speak passable English, and no one seemed to give us any attitude about it. I can stumble my way through some basic French pleasantries with my half-remembered high school French, and people seemed to appreciate my token efforts, but it's probably not totally necessarily as a tourist.
I'm from Philadelphia, in general Montreal kind of felt a lot like the best parts of Philly if we cleaned up and got our shit together.
There's not many cities I've visited where I'm itching to go back, normally I'm more of a woods and camping kind of guy, but I would definitely go back to Montreal in a heartbeat.
Tight I'll be doing the same with Amtrak but I've ridden with them before so I know what to expect. But thank you for the insight and hello neighbor! (Im in Baltimore).
You're going to the right place. Lots of beauty there.
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