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[-] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago

The actual left wing, the something socialists something are partly on hexbear.org and lemmygrad.ml. And they are called tankies and blocked on lemmy.world. So how left wing can most people here be? The thing is that "left" has become synonymous with (neo)liberal values. Like there doesn't have to be a free, independent press or social media and them being owned by capitalists is just fine.

[-] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 8 points 1 week ago

Hexbear isn't socialist. It's a group of assholes defending China and Russia, denying the Uyghur genocide and the aggression of Ukraine

[-] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago

The problem is that over the last decade any nuanced opinions on those topics has become less and less "politically correct". And that is the correct term, anyone who isn't politically correct and in line with the liberal mainstream opinion (= imperialist propaganda by the US state department and think tanks) must by definition by a paid shills of Putin, China or Trump. There are those people of course, but the dynamic has become more and more polarized and steeped in conspiratorial thinking. And that is by "design". It's profitable and it serves the US imperial agenda and it's easier to avoids the frustration of talking to trolls and fascists - just paint everyone of a different opinion with the same brush.

I mean you can't even talk about talking about it, like not seeing those people as anything but "assholes". The range of allowable opinions has drastically narrowed. It's not even liberal in the modern sense of the word. People are too scared to be liberal any more.

[-] Fredthefishlord 7 points 1 week ago

...saying china is a democracy, or good, the kind of thing I hear these types saying is just as propagandized a take. That's the issue...

[-] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This comes a bit down to utilitarianism vs ethics based on principles. But that's a lie, it's really about who has power.

I'm just watching a video by Majority Report where he talks about the question "Why is democracy is good" which the Democrats sort of fucked up in the election. And he makes a pretty painful point that it's a "show me, don't tell me" question. If you live in a democracy and constantly exploited, overworked, fucked over, in terror of economic hardship or terror attacks, harassed by police, then what is the point? What is the benefit? I'm not making the point that democracy is bad, but that a shell of a democracy, a fake, is leading especially the "dirtbag left" to adopt a pretty hostile posture.

So what is the actual quality of life in China vs the USA? What are the actual material benefits looking at living in an apartment, working, raising children and living a peaceful life?

How do YOU know that life in China isn't actually better and people more happy than in the USA? I don't believe that is true but it's a valid question. Of course China has massive problems and corruption and abuses. But there are a billion people there that were on a medieval level after WWII. The CCP has massively invested in e.g. education and healthcare and infrastructure.

Or compare quality of life in China vs democratic India. Similar can be said about Iran, 55% of University graduates were women. But it's painted as black and white.

Sure you have freedom of speech with the means of communication owned and controlled by the oligarchs. And you can say whatever you want on reddit and get downvoted to hell - which goes to my previous point, that the propaganda is so internalized and polarized now that you don't need threats of state violence to keep the population in check.

So those opinions are not just for fun. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer is an aphorism that is leading the west inevitably towards fascism. So all the "posturing" about how superior our principles and freedums are is just... well it's a delusion. It's happening right now. They are stealing your future right now and there is nothing you can do because they control the media.

But still the socialists are completely rejected and banned from the largest lemmy instances.

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[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

I'm just hungry dude

[-] Sk3rgi0@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago

I'm all for the better man (or woman, or whatever). If we see eye to eye on all the important stuff then I'll vote for you if I'm legally allowed. I don't care about your affiliations as much as your history and your record as a public servant. Hence, why I always vote Dem because there's absolutely NOTHING but pussy ass nazi bitches in the GOP.

[-] libra00@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think most people feel this way, right? Like you are left-leaning if you like the policies in left-wing platforms put forth by left-wing parties, so you vote for the left-wing candidates who advocate for them. Likewise, candidates are left-wing because they are members of such parties and advocate for such policies. So saying 'I only vote for people on the basis of their policies and voting record' is like saying 'I only drink water when it's wet'—technically true, but it misses the point that you chose it because it was wet.

[-] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 7 points 1 week ago

I suppose most people here are not alt-right at least.

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[-] bfg9k@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Yes, this site is very left-leaning. I have seem plenty of moderate opinions downvoted because they are centrist or centre-right, and the anti-Trump, anti-Elon and anti-USA sentiment is deservedly heavy right now.

Keep that in mind when reading comments, this place is a bit of an echo chamber at the moment.

[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 6 points 1 week ago

The mainstream conservatives (i.e. those within the Overton window of what’s acceptable in mainstream society, or not open Nazis/KKK) have the big corporate networks. Those Nazis who are too Nazi for Elon Musk have their own instances which everybody else fediblocks from orbit just to be sure, where they can run around, sieg-heil and shout racial slurs all day to their hearts’ content. Which leaves those to the left of the centre-right, who are divided between the tankie-triad instances (full of people who think that Stalin did nothing wrong and Putin’s OK too) and the rest (which ranges from liberals to ancoms).

[-] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

worldwide, I would put most people on the right side of the American left/right. there are a lot of people in south asia for example. china and russia are conservative as fuck also. without looking at a wikipedia table I think that's probably most people already.

Western Europe is pretty leftish I guess, but it's not a lot of people

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[-] arotrios@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Progressive who's been here for a bit. The fediverse has definitely swung more left-wing recently - when I first started up two years ago there was a fair amount of conservative bs, libertarian tech-bros and russian bots - it was about a 50/50 split depending on what instance you were on.

The bot problem seems to have been largely dealt with now, and conservative voices have been more or less drowned out by the new influx of users fleeing twitter and Reddit crackdowns. Many are agreeing that the current administration is bad for everyone. There are a number of hard auth-left moral purity testers that kind of a pain in the ass that pop up from time to time.

[-] psion1369@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

When asked, I usually tell people that I vote Dem because it's as close to my anarchist ideals as I can get. I would consider myself a social-anarchist, in that I feel laws shouldn't be written around societal structures and ideals. Society and culture changes, and I shouldn't be punished because some dude generations ago decided that something was inappropriate back then. It isn't now, and shouldn't be codified that way,

[-] MiniMoose4Free@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

People that cry they are being silenced will say yes.

[-] moakley@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Last time I took the political compass test, I was center-right, firmly in the libertarian quadrant, exactly in the sub-section labeled "libertarian".

That means my political stances align 100% against the Republican party and authoritarianism in general.

[-] emberinmoss@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

I've been on Lemmy for about two months and there is a good amount of left-leaning folks here. I definitely consider myself in the left-wing category. I hover somewhere between a bit liberal, a bit socialist, and a bit of a commie, but absolutely no authoritarianism.

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[-] libra00@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I am extremely left-wing, so probably skew the average all by myself. :P

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[-] imvii@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

I'm Canadian. I support social programs and humanist programs. I support regulation of business so they don't abuse their positions of power over people and to curb their habit of doing bad things in the name of more profit. I'm for taxing those with hordes of cash and giving the struggling worker a break. I support people to have the freedom to be who they want to be (gay, straight, trans, etc) as long as they aren't hurting other people (IE pedos don't get to harm children because they "were born that way" or god said it was cool). I support protecting the land, water and animals. I think Trump is a cunt.

I'm probably pretty left-wing.

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I simultaneously miss and don’t miss reading posts by Trump Supporters on Reddit.

It’s nice to read comments from the other side, even if those comments are batshit insane.

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[-] Tungsten5@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

It does seem that way from what I’ve seen. What am I? I’m the guy whose got it figured out. Always vote for the worst candidate. Its reverse psychology and works like a charm

[-] anonymouse2@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

Is there a difference? Chicken is chicken. But I do like flats more than drums.

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