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TL;DR: Self-Driving Teslas Rear-End Motorcyclists, Killing at Least 5

Brevity is the spirit of wit, and I am just not that witty. This is a long article, here is the gist of it:

  • The NHTSA’s self-driving crash data reveals that Tesla’s self-driving technology is, by far, the most dangerous for motorcyclists, with five fatal crashes that we know of.
  • This issue is unique to Tesla. Other self-driving manufacturers have logged zero motorcycle fatalities with the NHTSA in the same time frame.
  • The crashes are overwhelmingly Teslas rear-ending motorcyclists.

Read our full analysis as we go case-by-case and connect the heavily redacted government data to news reports and police documents.

Oh, and read our thoughts about what this means for the robotaxi launch that is slated for Austin in less than 60 days.

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[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

I wonder if a state court judge could mandate its use as unsafe?

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[-] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago

Good to know, I'll stay away from those damn things when I ride.

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

I already do. Flip a coin: Heads, the car is operating itself and is therefore being operated by a moron. Tails, the owner is driving it manually and therefore it is being operated by a moron.

Just be sure to carefully watch your six when you're sitting at a stoplight. I've gotten out of the habit of sitting right in the center of the lane, because the odds are getting ever higher that I'll have to scoot out of the way of some imbecile who's coming in hot. That's hard to do when your front tire is 24" away from the license plate of the car in front of you.

[-] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

For me it depends which bike I'm riding. If it's my 49cc scooter, I'll sit to the very right side of the lane for a quick escape while watching my mirrors like a hawk. On my XR500, I'll just filter to the front (legal in Utah).

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[-] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Musk = POS Nazi. Who couldn't care less about people being killed by his shit companies.

[-] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 6 points 2 weeks ago

Let's get this out of the way: Felon Musk is a nazi asshole.

Anyway, It should be criminal to do these comparisons without showing human drivers statistics for reference. I'm so sick of articles that leave out hard data. Show me deaths per billion miles driven for tesla, competitors, and humans.

Then there's shit like the boca raton crash, where they mention the car going 100 in a 45 and killing a motorcyclist, and then go on to say the only way to do that is to physically use the gas pedal and that it disables emergency breaking. Is it really a self driving car at that point when a user must actively engage to disable portions of the automation? If you take an action to override stopping, it's not self driving. Stopping is a key function of how self driving tech self drives. It's not like the car swerved to another lane and nailed someone, the driver literally did this.

Bottom line I look at the media around self driving tech as sensationalist. Danger drives clicks. Felon Musk is a nazi asshole, but self driving tech isn't made by the guy. it's made by engineers. I wouldn't buy a tesla unless he has no stake in the business, but I do believe people are far more dangerous behind the wheel in basically all typical driving scenarios.

[-] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

He may not be an engineer, but he's the one who made the decision to use strictly cameras rather than lidar, so yes, he's responsible for these fatalities that other companies don't have. You may not be a fan of Musk, but it sounds like you're a fan of Tesla

[-] Gladaed@feddit.org 4 points 2 weeks ago

"Critical Thinker" Yikes. Somehow the right made that a forbidden word in my mind because they hide behind that as an excuse for asking terrible questions etc.

Anyway. Allegedly the statistics are rather mediocre for self driving cars. But sadly I haven't seen a good statistic about that, either. The issue here is that automatable tasks are lower risk driving situations so having a good statistic is near impossible. E.g. miles driven are heavily skewed when you are only used on highways as a driver. There are no simple numbers that will tell you anything of worth.

That being said the title should be about the mistake that happened without fundamental statements (i.e. self driving is bad because motorcyclists die).

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[-] spacesatan@leminal.space 5 points 2 weeks ago

Unless it's a higher rate than human drivers per mile or hours driven I do not care. Article doesn't have those stats so it's clickbait as far as I'm concerned

[-] chetradley@lemm.ee 7 points 2 weeks ago

The fact that the other self driving brands logged zero motorcyclist fatalities means the technology exists to prevent more deaths. Tesla has chosen to allow more people to die in order to reduce cost. The families of those five dead motorcyclists certainly care.

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[-] the_three_tomatoes@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

You mean they are providing organ donations more than any other car. Silver lining. /s

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[-] arrakark@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago

What bike is that in the photo?

[-] KayLeadfoot@fedia.io 4 points 2 weeks ago

My partner and I were actually debating that exact question before I posted it!

It's just stock art, but of a rider in the Midwest. Custom exhaust, custom saddle and rack for that cafe racer look, and I just barely can't make out the model on the engine fairing.

Here it is all big, let me know if you can figure it out: https://unsplash.com/photos/a-person-riding-a-motorcycle-on-a-city-street-kPfwWyUWubA

Looks hot, that's why I picked it.

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[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 3 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not sure how that's possible considering no one manufactures self-driving cars that I know of. Certainly not Tesla.

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