Hey, new here. What's going on?
First off, going to apologize because I'm trying to explain things with the most minimal bias I can muster.
To explain as easily as I can, there's a wide variety of attitudes on Lemmy. .ml is notorious for being pro-Russia and China, banning anyone who speaks out against them. They've also been held as the largest, most active instance, so they've heavily gotten away with how users are treated for voicing differing opinions. You can also find mass downvotes against people who speak out against .ml, even outside of the instance, with members flooding in to defend them.
They're part of what people on here call the "Tankie Triad", using communist rhetoric as their defense for what many outside of the group think is absolutely abhorrent behavior.
There's a lot more complexity going on, especially with the main Lemmy devs openly holding the same viewpoints, but that's a very surface level overlook.
Welcome! So Tankies are what are known as authoritarian "communists". They often praise authoritarian regimes so long as they're against the West and claim to be communistic or similar. Such as China and Russia and also deny any wrong doings of them. Like, they'll deny the events of tiananmen square, that people in China are heavily censored, that Russia was wholly justified in invading Ukraine or even that NK isn't run by a Dictatorship.
They also often claim that they're "the only true leftists", even among actual communists/socialists that don't praise authoritarian regimes that only vaugly claim to be communistic lol
.ml is one of the original Lemmy instances by the Lemmy devs who are hardcore tankies and they'll enforce (though they'll never admit it) their ideology throughout the instance by removing content that is against Russia/China/NK and claim it's "bigotry" or something. They're part of the Tankie Triad, the other 2 instances are Hexbear and Lemmygrad.
But those 2 are so in your face about it that most instances, including yours, defederate from them (When an instances admin decides to refuse to accept another instances content/posts/voting/users) But .ml opts to do it subtlety through moderator action and because they have a number of official support comms, other Instances are hesitant to defederate from them
You're on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works a comm mostly for the collection and documentation of their words and actions
That's awersome, now we just need to get people to move on from the linux community on lemmy.ml, there are some good ones like !linux@programming.dev, !linux@sh.itjust.works, and even !linux@lemmy.world but these still have less users than the linux community on lemmy.ml unfortunately.
PD is perfect for this IMO. Love that instance.
I think !privacy@lemmy.dbzer0.com is doing very well (federated with hexbear, but they behave more), its possible to move off ML, it just takes effort :) hopefully it will overtake !privacy@lemmy.ml in the future.
Hopefully it does, it would be nice to have a privacy community that isn't stationed on ml or world. The other runner being the one on Lemmy.world.
Yea .ml Linux subscriber count is unrealistic at 52k (for now), but it looks like on MAUs !linux@programming.dev seems like the best bet to take the crown
We should move everyone to the PD comm. Moving everyone to .world will result in some headaches.
I know that its much better than lemmy.ml, but why is everyone making communities on lemmy.world?
Probably because you need an account on the instance you want to make a comm for, though you should make an account on the target instance just for that and then add your main account as a mod to the new comm, many don't
When the initial surge of users came, they went to .world because it was the only instance that kept up with the demand. I encourage people making comms to make them on other instances.
Because centralization actually works.
Wow, talk about a tankie grade shit take, S tier, good job!
Oops sorry, I didn't know
Are you someone who migrated from reddit because of something the company with the power they got from the social media being centralized did?
@cm0002 My Friendica node did the heavy lifting for a while, blocking both .ml, lemmygrad as well if I'm not mistaken - although sadly .world and even lemmy.ca too - back in the day. The issue? Lemmy was just sending way too many activities (upvotes - generated as likes, downvotes, comments etc.) and was generaly overwhelming the server.
They have since reverted the block, but I got a hefty selection of communities spread across multiple servers. I followed [!linuxgaming@level-up.zone](/c/linuxgaming@level-up.zone)
, as well as [!linux4noobs@programming.dev](/c/linux4noobs@programming.dev)
for example - as they are on more dedicated servers, rather than general purpose ones. Sadly, the former did not take off the way I expected it to ๐
They have since reverted the block, but I got a hefty selection of communities spread across multiple servers. I followed
[!linuxgaming@level-up.zone](/c/linuxgaming@level-up.zone)
, as well as[!linux4noobs@programming.dev](/c/linux4noobs@programming.dev)
for example - as they are on more dedicated servers, rather than general purpose ones. Sadly, the former did not take off the way I expected it to ๐
Yea that's how it should be realistically, and there is ongoing work to try to distribute .world and other very large instances content more evenly.
Lemmy.ml just gets more attention and actual calls for boycotting/defederation and such because of their... despicable... actions
Also, when did friendica start federating with the Lemmy-verse I could have sworn it wasn't active lolol
Friendica has federated with Lemmy since... the very first time Lemmy enabled AP federation I guess? lol, idk. I just got very happy that I can also replace Reddit with Friendica, not just Facebook. Sadly, I figured out the hard way about .ml and the only alternative to .ml was beehaw, lol.
Back then .world didn't even exist, lol.
Anyway, yes, hello from Friendica. It's not so active indeed, because there are not so many people, but as it got some attention from Ruud (the admin of both lemmy.world and mastodon.world) there's been an uptick as of late.
Sadly, the situation of Friendica as an alternative to Facebook is really disproportionate, imo, as this is a hobby project made by some enthusiasts that aren't even organized as a juridical entity (unlike Mastodon for example) vs. a multibillion-dollar company that owns the biggest social network on the planet.
Lemmy is also in a somewhat similar situation, but Reddit is not that big, though.
Being the oldest still actively developed Fediverse project does give it an advantage, though.
I really hope we coordinate any more moves to non-world comms as well.
lemmy.world moderation is just as much shit
MeanwhileOnGrad
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Welcome to MoG!
Meanwhile On Grad
Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!
What is a Tankie?
Alternatively, a detailed blog post about Tankies.
(caution of biased source)
Basic Rules:
Sh.itjust.works Instance rules apply! If you are from other instances, please be mindful of the rules. โ Basically, don't be a dick.
Hate-Speech โ You should be familiar with this one already; practically all instances have the same rules on hate speech.
Apologia โ (Using the Modern terminology for Apologia) No Defending, Denying, Justifying, Bolstering, or Differentiating authoritarian acts or endeavours, whether be a Pro-CCP viewpoint, Stalinism, Islamic Terrorism or any variation of Tankie Ideology.
Revisionism โ No downplaying or denying atrocities past and present. Calling Tankies shills, foreign/federal agents, or bots also falls under this rule. Extremists exist. They are real. Do not call them shills or fake users as it handwaves their extremism.
Tankies can explain their views but may be criticised or attacked for them. Any slight infraction on the rules above will immediately earn a warning and possibly a ban.
Off-topic Discussion โ Do not discuss unrelated topics to the point of derailing the thread. Stay focused on the direct content of the post as opposed to arguing.
You'll be warned if you're violating the instance and community rules. Continuing poor behaviour after being warned will result in a ban or removal of your comments. Bans typically only last 24 hours, but each subsequent infraction will double the amount. Depending on the content, the ban time may be increased. You may request an unban at any time.