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Progressive/ Bull Moose Party of the USA (lemmy.world)
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We the People, endeavoring in an ever more perfect Union. Establish the Progressive Party of the United States. Party members will emphasize the value of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. As these are understood to be the foundation of Freedom.

For too long, has outside influence driven our politics. We seek to end Citizens United. The only money in politics should be our own.

The Two Party System, must come to an end. We shall seek to have Ranked Voting in each State of the Union.

We will seek a tax rate of no less, than ninety percent. On the wealthiest in this Country.

Higher taxes on the ultra-wealthy, along with a robust corporate tax reform. Will provide the necessary funds to enhance our existing infrastructure, and new national projects.

Of these projects, are the creation of a High Speed Rail Network, and heavy investments for public sector research into AI and Fusion technologies.

We believe that a strong military is needed for defense. However, wars of aggression and conquest are counter to the peace that we seek.

An educated populace, is a strong populace. We will seek to make higher education, available and free to all People.

We believe that we are a part of this world, and shall seek to restore and maintain our relations with our long term allies.

Discord: https://discord.gg/SYfpZhYQEm

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[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 77 points 4 weeks ago

I'm liking what I'm hearing so far but I won't be learning more on discord.

[-] AdorkableOtaku@lemmy.world 29 points 4 weeks ago

What would you like to know? The premise is basically the Heritage Foundation of the Left. We infiltrate the Democrat Party, get ranked voting in each state, then burst out of their chest. Then we bully the nazis for all time. If the Right can pull a long con, why can't we?

[-] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

It should be truth, not a con. If anything can succeed, it must be legitimately founded and won. It must be accepted and embraced. It cannot be a bait and switch.

This country, and the world at large, is under attack by a broad spectrum attack: money in politics, social media brain rot, constant streaming of entertainment to keep us distracted, yearning for more while dangling a carrot on a stick just out of reach... It goes on and on.

The means of success must be true and fully realized or we all lose.

We're well behind the eight ball on this. My gut says it's too late, but my drive keeps me pushing back.

Kill your social media accounts, delete your streaming platforms, don't fall for the dumb distractions like Ghibly avatars, stop supporting the sympathizer corporations. We all need to be better or we all lose together.

[-] PurpleSkull@lemm.ee 14 points 4 weeks ago

Kill your social media accounts, delete your streaming platforms, don’t fall for the dumb distractions like Ghibly avatars

Amen brother. I'd even go as far and say we need to ban smart phones. We are not ready for them yet. Evidently.

[-] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 weeks ago

I've been trying to get my hands on a viable e-ink phone for a while. For now I use GrapheneOS and limit my app installations.

I will be the first to admit that its a hard habit to break, but I'm getting there.

[-] PurpleSkull@lemm.ee 5 points 4 weeks ago

My phone is 10 years old and screams at me every time I "need" to install a new app for some stupid service I want to use. My gym has an app. My public transit. My car. My bank. My boba tea place. I look at it maybe twice a day, to see if my wife wrote anything about some chores I gotta do after work, and to turn off the alarm. Curiously, my circle of friends and friend-interaction has shrunk the more "BETTER CONNECTED (tm)" we became through social media over the years. The better my old group of friends and I became "connected", the more everyone drifted apart.

[-] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I have a job requirement to have mine on me. Having two would make it annoying. Your situation is envysome.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 weeks ago

And what percentage of people would be willing to or even interested in doing this?

[-] AdorkableOtaku@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

I mean it is the truth, but Americans in general are fed so much propaganda that they can't see what's in front of their own eyes.

I'm in the same boat, I expect to meet the Gestapo before any of this can bear fruit. I like to think of a better future though, one that will outlive all of us.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 4 weeks ago

No need to bait and switch, just no need to get caught up in wedge issues. Promote what everyone agrees on, the rest is matter of course.

[-] AdorkableOtaku@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago

I disagree on this point. Look what capitulating to the Oligarchs, and those moderates who voted away America's Soul has gotten us. This needs to be the far left.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 4 weeks ago

I didn't say capitulate, I said no need to make wedge issues a distraction and division. No need to ignore it, just do it. Someone makes a big deal, point out how taking others rights has resulted in the ever narrowing few that have rights.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 6 points 4 weeks ago

I'd like to see a platform. No bullying. They'll claim it's bullying anyway but no.

[-] AdorkableOtaku@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago

We're still working on it, what you read was a first draft. (I just got started 15 days ago) Feel free to drop proposal ideas, we're mostly Democratic Socialists. I went with my personal thoughts on what I'd like to see this grow into. I'm also fully aware that others can do a better job at writing policy. I just want to give people space to organize, and a dream of a better America.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 4 weeks ago

Maybe no taxes below the poverty level, which btw needs serious updating along with minimum wage. No ultrarich or corporate lobbies. Basic necessities are provided to taxpayers, by taxpayers, including a healthy, well-balanced diet, fully funded comprehensive health, utilities including Internet; renewable energy, no corporate or excessive ownership of homes or land, nationalize food, energy, water, education, quality textiles/clothing, I'll think of more. It won't all be immediately doable but we can and should get people everyday necessities.

[-] AdorkableOtaku@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

It's actually not the highest we've had on the rich. I was being kind lol. I really like this though, can't remember if I mentioned the crowd funding of our candidates as well. Companies are not people, and should not be in politics.

[-] AuroraZzz@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

Completely on board! We've needed an actual progressive party that actually gets things done in this country for decades

[-] AdorkableOtaku@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago

I got the idea from AOC and Bernie. :P People simply need space to organize.

[-] Sibshops@lemm.ee 4 points 4 weeks ago

Ranked choice voting would me a great win, either way.

[-] AdorkableOtaku@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago

Agreed, the two party system is way too polarizing.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 39 points 4 weeks ago

I love it. There is no planet in which I'm doing my organizing through discord.

[-] AdorkableOtaku@lemmy.world 16 points 4 weeks ago

I also made a page on here. :) https://lemmy.world/c/progressiveparty

[-] Wxfisch@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Honestly, you need an actual website, not a page on someone else's platform. For this to take off it needs to look the part of a real party/movement and that means using services like discord and lemmy should be at most supplemental and should not be required for anyone to join and start learning about what you are doing.

[-] AdorkableOtaku@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

I am always looking for volunteers. Webpages are out of my wheelhouse, most of this is in all honesty. I'm just running with it because the other option is death. (I am so goddamned tired)

[-] zedgeist@lemm.ee 24 points 3 weeks ago

I don't really know how to say this with any due respect.

If you want to be taken seriously, you need to learn to write at a level that doesn't read like an eighth grader who failed sixth grade English.

One would expect this would be a party that includes well-educated individuals and people who respect well-written platforms. This post isn't what we need.

Not to mention.. Discord?!

[-] AugustWest@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

When the writer can’t make it through the very first sentence without speeding right off the rails, there is a serious problem.

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[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago

It's probably just me, but anything that uses We The People makes me gag a little.

[-] AdorkableOtaku@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Was trying for something old school lol, I promise I won't type up the final copy. 😆

[-] kittenzrulz123 18 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I may be an Anarcho-Syndicalist but if you support Unions ill support you

(I mean ACTURAL support not the fake support Biden gave)

[-] AdorkableOtaku@lemmy.world 11 points 4 weeks ago

Labor Co-ops and Unions are the way of the future.

[-] kittenzrulz123 4 points 4 weeks ago

Good

[-] PurpleSkull@lemm.ee 17 points 4 weeks ago

Hey, before I tear this down and get hated on for it, let me just say that I appreciate your spirit. You are trying to do something, and that alone instantly elevates you above 95% of the rest of the US population.

My opinion on this/your party is that it seems very haphazard. The platform basically describes the Democrats and the DNC, so how is the Bull Moose Party different? Even your more "liberal" demands such as ranked choice voting, abolishing money in politics and corporate tax reforms are all things Democrats every now and then dangle as a carrot in front of us. You now might be tempted to say "Yes, but WE mean it!". I believe you, but that still leaves the question "how"?

How would you stop the "ultra wealthy" from simply leaving the country and taking their businesses and wealth with them after you try to raise their taxes? You can argue that the country doesn't need them, but then how do you pay for the extremely costly policy ideas you describe further down, such as making higher education "free"? How do you build a high speed railway, and how would you convince the individual states to do it? How do you get the land necessary to build this railway? What if it runs through reservations or natural protected areas? And are we not doing very heavy AI research investments already? Who would you give those AI research investments to? Because right now there are only 3 companies in the US with the infrastructure of actually doing that research, and those are: Microsoft, Meta and the company of Elon Musk. All three of those will flee the country if you present them with an increased tax bill, if not send assassins after you.

It's nice that you outright ban "wars of aggression", but no one has ever run on a platform of "let's do more wars". Everyone says they will only "defend" themselves. In fact humanity has never fought a war of simple aggression ever since antiquity. All aggressors insist it's only a defense and noble cause, from Putin, to Bush, to Hitler. To put that in practice, how would you deal with Russia right now if your party was in charge and had full control? You would quickly find that armed conflict is inevitable, and thus you would eventually break your promise of "no wars of aggression" to your constituents.

Even something as straight-forward and morally upright such as "restoring relations with our long term allies" requires at this point a serious explanation HOW the Bull Moose Party would achieve this. No one trusts the US anymore because the government makes a 180 turn every 4 to 8 years. Could you promise other countries the US will never have someone like Trump in charge again? And now that Europe is getting independent and Canada looks to Asia and Europe as well, why would they ever want to come back?

Eh, you get the idea. In short, the platform is too broad, not detailed at all, seems like a daydream and personally I'm missing any creativity and good ideas in there that differentiate you from the DNC. Put in something interesting like "we bring back gladiator arena games to the death and livestream them on Netflix" or "people dressing up as Darth Vader on May 4th get a 1% tax cut next season" (half-joking of course).

Lastly, Discord is trash. You need a viable, respectable forum, that is used by more people than a heavily male skewed early-zoomer audience for gaming and shitposting. Back to the drawing board, write a manifesto on WHAT you want to achieve and HOW you plan on achieving each point and WHY. Refrain from using empty and useless statements such as "we believe in the pursuit of happiness". Elon Musk also believes that, and he pursues his happiness by becoming the Kaiser of the American Reich. I sound harsh and demoralizing, but that's because I like what you are trying to do. If I thought it was shit, I would have just memed on you and moved on instead of writing a blog.

[-] AdorkableOtaku@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago

The plan would be to get rid of Citizens United, companies should not be in our politics. So crowd funding candidates, and pulling support for those that won't align.

If they want to leave, let them. America is a free country, or at least it was supposed to be. (I do not care if the rich live or die in general. They feel the same about any non-capitalists.) Most countries won't put up with the manipulation like the US, they wore us down over several decades. Also, I do fully expect them to kill me.

I want that money pumped into Government Labs for research, not into companies. The High-Speed Rail system, would need thought out, also you're not wrong it is a bit hap hazard. I'm currently doing the leg work solo. I need help, I keep screaming into the void. Something has to change, or we will be slaves in all but name.

Some wars are unavoidable, and morally some could even be justified. That part was mostly aimed at Trump threatening historical allies. After establishing ranked voting in each state, I expect the Republican Party will never put a President back into the White House.

I literally started this 15 days ago, this is new and growing. I expect the timeline for the project to stretch into the next several decades, but at least it's something. Not aimed negatively at you, I'm actually really proud of what I've pulled together so far. However, I am but a single bitch lol.

I also opened a page here too, if anyone is interested. I believe in having multiple ways to facilitate organization. https://lemmy.world/c/progressiveparty

I actually appreciate it, I haven't had anyone critique it yet. I just want to fix things, and this is the only non-violent solution that actually made sense to me.

[-] PurpleSkull@lemm.ee 6 points 4 weeks ago

That's good! No seriously, PLEASE start writing a long party manifesto with points you research thoroughly. Start with the topic most dear to you. Then look up why this has not been done yet, if there were previous attempts, why they failed, how they could succeed. Try to think about all other aspects of life a policy you would enact would touch.

For example, could investing more into railways cause a decline in car sales and subsequent loss of jobs? Could you maybe license high-speed rail technology from Japan or China, in exchange for easing of microchip sanctions on them? Things like that.

Do that, and over time you will be a fully aware and engaged citizen, deserving of the title. Even if your new party doesn't work out, you would end up with way more knowledge about good governance than even many in Congress today. No need to scream into the void, people with their heart in the right spot like you are in the majority, not minority. You're not alone.

Also check out your state third parties and see if there is already a party that comes close to what you want for the country. Almost every state has them in some form, but most people don't even know they exist. The Forward Party comes to mind. There's also the "Liberal Party USA", though they are in dire straits.

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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 4 weeks ago

How would you stop the "ultra wealthy" from simply leaving the country and taking their businesses and wealth with them after you try to raise their taxes?

I just want to note that this is nothing short of capitalist propaganda meant to justify the status quo. What will stop them from leaving is the profitability of doing business in the richest country in the world.

[-] PurpleSkull@lemm.ee 2 points 4 weeks ago

Don't think that's "capitalist propaganda" as we just found out what the rich will do when faced with higher taxation. They take over the country. In the absence of that possibility, they would absolutely put their HQ somewhere else. No one sets up shop in Ireland because they think the weather is nicer there.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 4 weeks ago

I know, but here's the thing: Who cares where their HQ is? They'll flee to tax havens anyway if they can get away with it, and if they can't then great, tax the shit out of them. Either way what your money will come from is their actual business in the US, which they can't move without missing out on... All the business they're doing in the US.

[-] karashta@piefed.social 14 points 4 weeks ago

We don't need to tax the wealthy to fund the federal government. We do it to destroy their power.

The federal government is the source of the money, printed ex nihilo (if you think the federal reserve is independent, ask yourself who gave them their charter and who can revoke it). Why would it need someone else's money to function?

I'd highly recommend reading any of the MMT literature so you have an understanding of this.

The left needs to stop fighting in the neoclassical economic framework of the right and re-lens things into reality and away from that deluded ideology.

Love to see this type of left wing movement!

[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

We don't need to tax the wealthy to fund the federal government. We do it to destroy their power.

This. Once they've conquered industry they'll move on to something bigger.

[-] AdorkableOtaku@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago

This is a step in that direction. Think of this like a Far Left think tank, slow insidious progress.

The difference is that we actually have empathy, and it's why we will win.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 9 points 4 weeks ago

Not to detract from the overall idea, but rather than ranked choice voting you should abolish the electoral college and implement ranked choice voting (or similar, there are many options) for the president and proportional representation for Congress. Aside from just being a better idea, it sounds more dramatic because you get to say "abolish the electoral college", which is better for a fledgeling party trying to attract young people with talent and ambition.

[-] AdorkableOtaku@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

Electoral College is also on the chopping block, I forgot to mention it. Sorry, I'm crashing out trying to keep up with conversations tonight lol.

[-] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 9 points 3 weeks ago

Star or similar voting, proportional representation, abolish the Senate, expand the house, abolish the electoral college, etc. are things I'd like personally. Not sure if I'd prefer parliamentary system over the presidential one.

[-] AdorkableOtaku@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Perhaps, that's honestly still up for debate. I simply like the parliamentary system, because I feel it allows more politicians of varying points of view in.

[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Hmmm yes, that's what we need, ANOTHER indistinguisably ineffective 3rd party to dilute the votes...

And you people wonder why Drumpf won twice

Maybe you can get Jill Stein to front it

[-] AdorkableOtaku@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

We'll be on the Democrat ticket for probably a decade or so, and help clamp down on these fascists. It doesn't make sense to do a fracture until things are well under control.

[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

I sincerely don't think the U.S. is going to make it a decade, but props for your optimism

[-] Fredthefishlord 1 points 3 weeks ago

Tbf to op, it's always best to have more than one plan in place

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[-] Wiz@midwest.social 1 points 3 weeks ago

"Democratic ticket"

Not: "Democrat ticket"

[-] AdorkableOtaku@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Oh, hey so we took what you all said and we're making some sweeping changes of intent. Update later.

Until then, please enjoy Revolt. It's an open source Discord. https://revolt.chat/

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