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cross-posted from: https://50501.chat/post/54068

Time to break free of traditional political ideological labeling and divisions. Time to abandon old, divisive sociopolitical labels like "liberal" and "conservative".

A new political party based on a vastly, commonly held virtures lends itself to embrace over 66% of Americans, and it clearly embraces progressive principled thinking. In the most ideal American sense of unity, a political party should not be able to be defined or placed as "to the left" or "to the right" of where the Democratic or Republican parties currently are. Just let it exist organically based on present-day principled thinking. The American Progressive Majority.


Originally Posted By u/Atlanticbboy At 2025-03-23 04:38:18 AM | Source


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[-] Voyajer@lemmy.world 43 points 3 weeks ago

Now try and get the majority to agree on what anything in this list means

[-] toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

i'm still trying to wrap my head around the irony of forming a party against parties.

BE. INDEPENDENT. fuck, do the research. America's government was supposed to be against such things.

[-] Kit 28 points 3 weeks ago

Only 69% support gay marriage? That's wild.

[-] tatann@lemm.ee 15 points 3 weeks ago

Nice

I mean the 69, not the 31% bigots

[-] turmacar@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

IIRC interracial marriage didn't get more than 50% support until the late 90s. In general public support lags behind progressive lawmaking.

That in addition to more 'nuanced' opinions on it. Does "Sure 'they' can do whatever they want, but none of my children are allowed!" count as support or not? It probably gets counted as support/opposition depending on what the poll asker wants, if they even get that granular.

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[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago

I agree with all except not owning a gun. I’m not a 2A’er, but legal and responsible gun ownership is one of our constitutional rights. The problems we have with guns right now fall directly into gun control territory, which is listed right below owning a gun on this list.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 36 points 3 weeks ago

The militias are not well-regulated.

[-] scops@reddthat.com 19 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, I would be very careful how they word any mention of guns. It's very easy to get people arguing past each other even when they share very similar views, thanks to how groups like the NRA have mucked up 2A discourse.

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

If only people felt as fervent about the other amendments.

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 weeks ago

Owning guns to defend yourself against tyrannical government made sense a hundred years ago .... it wouldn't make a difference in modern times.

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe. But, and hear me out, we do not want to make it easy for them when they inevitably come for us.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 9 points 3 weeks ago

Well, I don't even own a gun, but I think you underestimate armed resistance

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[-] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 weeks ago

2A proponents suddenly supporting the right to own ICBMs

[-] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 3 weeks ago

By "suddenly", you mean, they always have?

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[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

A revolver, shotgun, or other firearms without magazines are fine for most hunting and self-defense cases. I don't have a problem with an 18yo buying one of these on their birthday. I do have major problems with a teen, or anyone really, coming in with zero history of firearm ownership and buying 1000 rounds and a semi-auto, high-powered weapon.

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Agreed. First comes education. Then comes ownership. When my kids are old enough, I’m going to get them firearm classes so they at least know how it all works.

[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

I'd be open to "opt in" classes in high school as well. I don't believe ignorance of guns keeps you safe from them.

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[-] Fingolfinz@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Same, it’s not left enough for me if we’re going no arms

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[-] MoreFPSmorebetter@lemmy.zip 20 points 3 weeks ago

I'm calling BS on most of these numbers.

The top 3 are already wrong so I can only hazard a guess that the rest are also wrong.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx

https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own-guns.aspx

https://news.gallup.com/poll/513623/majority-continues-favor-stricter-gun-laws.aspx

I'm not even going to bother looking at the rest because the top 3 were already wrong.

The graphic is either poorly researched or intentionally misleading and either way I don't care for it.

[-] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago

I checked the first three and they all seemed the same or higher.

69 vs 85% for abortion according to your first link. Although clearly the number is from another source with different phrasing.

72 vs 68% according to your second source

And here's a source for 90% on #3 - https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/90-percent-want-background-checks/

Anyway, I hate info graphics, too, but these hardly seem wrong or misleading.

[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago

It's a big stretch to say "wants more gun control laws" entirely based on support for background checks. Technically accurate but misleading.

[-] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago

It's not a big stretch, it's a tiny stretch. There are not going to be more background checks if there are not laws in place.

[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Obviously, but the phrasing implies general support for gun control laws overall, and that isn't close to what the survey was about. You can't just launder the fact of support for the most popular one into support for the whole class of laws if that one is an outlier.

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[-] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 weeks ago

Medicare for all 55% is just the saddest stat have seen in a while.

[-] yoshman@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Probably poor branding, after years of being called a scam. Kind of like Obamacare v. ACA.

[-] Yoga@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 weeks ago

Surely the problem with all the other third parties is that they didn't try to appeal to the majority of people.

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

My question is: what percentage support all of those? The curse of dimensionality applies here because of the large number of features.

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 6 points 3 weeks ago

Since most are >50% and many are >75%, the crossover is probably large enough that it won’t make a difference

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Intuitively it would seem like that, but that’s why the curse of dimensionality is a mathematical paradox: its results are not intuitive!

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[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Only 55% approves of medicare for all? What is wrong with you guys?

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 15 points 3 weeks ago

Most think about how they can’t afford a 2% increase in their taxes and forget about the $500 per month premium they won’t have to pay anymore

[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Which is exactly how right-wing media has spun it.

Americans have been conditioned to have such a knee-jerk reaction to "taxes" that we can't comprehend the increase in taxes for M4A < the current cost we pay in premiums + copays + deductibles + coinsurance + HSA etc.

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[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

Persistent, heavy propaganda has convinced many Americans that Medicare is somehow worse than their current insurance coverage. It’s quite insane but that’s why this number is so low.

To put a fine point on it: the common lie in the media is that Medicare for all means you lose your current insurance. This is true, and it would be replaced by the much better and more affordable Medicare, but they never say this last part.

[-] KittyCat@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

An appeal to majority isn't going to sway anyone on either side of the issue because it rings false to those opposed and lacks actual reason to those who support, this is the kind of messaging that will sink a campaign

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

I mean, "We're starting a new party! The Infograph Party!" was a loser to begin with. But coming straight out of the gate with "You're already a member, you just don't know it yet" naive dogmatism certainly isn't helping.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Sure sure, if only 40% of us could be arsed to vote.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 8 points 3 weeks ago

Nope.

So, the same people who couldn't get past the DNC to get Bernie nominated think they can create a viable 3rd Party in under 24 months?

Stop dreaming of pie in the sky and start worrying about the Dem. Congressional primaries

[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago

Ah yes, the Dem primaries. If we’re lucky enough to be allowed a vote, millions in corporate PAC money will be spent on the establishment incumbent. No thanks, Dems are corrupt beyond redemption.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago

You got an actual plan? You got a billion dollars to get this Party up and running?

It's easy to spout off about how bad things are, let's hear a solution.

I donated to Bernie in 2016, 2020, and 2024. I'd kind of like to win once.

Let me see your plan.

[-] Genius@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 weeks ago

Why did Americans bother putting in first past the post if they were gonna be too dumb to understand it?

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[-] Owlboi@lemm.ee 5 points 3 weeks ago

it only took 3 bullet points to find out just how bs this list is

[-] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

I feel like there's a lot off on this one.

If they count neutral or no-votes, this might be true.

If this is the real feel of the country, I believe we would've voted as such.

[-] tamman2000@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago

Na, it's real...

The thing is, most voters are low information voters. There are a hell of a lot of reliable republican voters who oppose the majority of their agenda, even before project2025...

[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Should call it the 66% party and only support things that 2/3rds of the public support.

[-] CidVicious@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

Personally I think what we really need is a prominent reform party.

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