there is a bin in the café according to you lmao.

this is ridiculous tbh, protecting wildlife is more important than your convenience in that place lmao, you're annoyed that you have to walk inside to throw your trash?? wtf lol.

They just don’t want to pay people to empty the bins. Defunding. DEFUNDING!

It's been this way as long as I can remember down at Moors Valley. From my limited observations there, it surprisingly works much better than you might expect.

There is a potentially good way to do this, ensure the cafe uses minimal packaging and what packaging is used is compostable. Then just have compost bins.

Growing up in the 60s, we saw anti-littering commercials, called PSAs (Public Service Announcements),on TV every day. Ask any older American what they remember about those PSAs, and they will say "The crying Indian."

Today, they never show those anymore, and i am seeing young people littering as a result. I was recently in a fast food lot, and saw a car pull in, a young guy about 20 get out, and throw a bunch old fast food trash into the bushes, then walk into the restaurant. He passed a trash can next to the door on his way in, where he could have tossed his trash, but he just tossed it in the bushes instead.

I collected up the trash, and set it on the hood of his fancy hot rod.

I've seen plenty of similar examples in the last few years, because young people dont see those PSAs telling them not to, and even their parents havent been educated to teach them.

Pack in, Pack out.

The only way this will work is if humans behave in ways that no human has ever humaned

Sounds to me like they just dont want to empty the bins any more. I suspect after a few months of picking rubbish off the floor, the bins will be back.

Or not and everyone will complain and stop going.

This is an interesting read:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0272494421001225?via=ihub

For some context: This paper discusses how more trash cans negatively impact how people perceive a natural space, but removing them without providing effective signage may increase litter.

A combination of effective signage and having easily accessible bins (for staff to maintain) near park entries and exits lowered the amount of litter and improved how people perceived the natural space.

We survive that way in Japan with almost no bins. Of course the odd person litters, but most don't; if we can pack it in, we can pack it out. Now, if there were no bin inside the cafe, that would be idiotic.

The places with the fewest places to deposit one's trash are always the ones with the most litter. Always.

If someone wants another person to adapt a behavior, from a purely practical standpoint, that person must make the other person's job easier or it will simply not work to get them to adapt. If this wasn't a forest (such as it is, it being the UK), the only proper thing to do would be to dump as much trash there as possible while demanding the bins back until they get the message and cave in. I could write a whole book here about how the packaging industry paid lobbyists and PR firms to put the blame on consumers for the useless crap they make existing in the first place, and shaming them into keeping it out of sight and thus out of mind. I won't. But it's a tale vile enough that it convinced me that there's a time and a place for littering as protest. The woods aren't the place.

Besides, there ARE receptacles that are critter resistant. This is an absolute cop out, and seeing how landscaped the area is, a couple of bins would hardly scar the landscape. This is pure crap. I looked the place up, and it's NOT the kind of place where you deny people trash receptacles, nor is it the kind of place you can credibly base your argument on "we don't want animals to get used to people". Good lord, what a bunch of idiocy.

"To support our commitment to reducing the number of covid cases, we have elected to discontinue counting them. We kindly ask all infected to kindly die at home."

One problem with outside bins is that the wildlife is naturally drawn to them and the contents can be damaging to them as well as desensitising animals to people, plus things like squirrels and birds will pull rubbish out of the bins and spread it around.

"We don't have enough funds to make the guys do that route, what do we do? what did you say Shannon? masquerade it as taking care of the environment? that's fantastic"

That's not how human behavior works...

Someone thinks they're very clever and they aren't.

I fully support the choice to remove the bins. I visited a beauty spot in Scotland recently that has a coffee van in the carpark. The young couple I took there went to add their empty cups to the already overflowing bin, and were baffled when I insisted they take them to the car, which was ten steps away. "But there's a bin!" Yes you numpties, and the wind is already spreading its contents everywhere. Be part of the solution, not the problem.

Wait, so there are bins inside and they don't want bins outside because it's a wildlife area?

Sounds like OP's a little lazy, this is a very understandable change

Geniuses have no understanding of how some people can be dirty.

Just take your own rubbish home

I was walkin' through the forest

And a sign said they removed the bins to produce less rubbish

"We kindly ask all visitors to take their litter home!"

Man, what do I look like, a garbage bin?

I threw it on the ground!

This is the reason given in Australia by Parks Victoria

LEAVE NO TRACE

Advocate for minimal-impact practices wherever you go. Many people are surprised to find no bins in national parks. Waste attracts native animals, which can change their natural behaviour and harm both natural and cultural sites, as well as your personal belongings.

Always bring rubbish bags (and one for your neighbour) and take all your rubbish home. Help educate others about the importance of leaving the park pristine, minimising your impact on the delicate balance of the ecosystem.

I used to work for the Woodland Trust and believe that this is the right thing to do. Bins in woodlands do not get emptied often and will often overflow and attract unwanted pests like rats. Rats will also eat the eggs of ground nesting birds and cause other environmental issues.

If they are selling food on site then the food vendor should have a bin that their customers can use inside their cabin/cafe and dispose of the waste daily as part of the service.

I'm on board with this. Don't bring rubbish into woodland areas; and if you do bring it - take it back with you.

I'm sure the bins were very convenient - but its a convenience that only helps you leave trash in the woodland for someone else to collect. And as others have pointed out, the rubbish can cause problems even if it is all put in the bin.

So yeah, I can see that it is mildly frustrating - but I don't think 'take your rubbish home' is too much of an ask.