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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) by Nighed@feddit.uk to c/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world

They sell things that come in cups, or with napkins. Lots of people cycle/run/walk here instead of driving, seems pretty stupid.

Taking away the bins doesn't mean you don't produce rubbish....

Edit: I think there is still a bin IN the cafe, but most people eat/drink outside. Lots of people asking staff where the bins are. Still hypocritical I think though? (And still mildly infuriating to remove well used bins!)

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[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 9 points 3 hours ago

There is a potentially good way to do this, ensure the cafe uses minimal packaging and what packaging is used is compostable. Then just have compost bins.

[-] Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago
[-] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 14 points 5 hours ago

Growing up in the 60s, we saw anti-littering commercials, called PSAs (Public Service Announcements),on TV every day. Ask any older American what they remember about those PSAs, and they will say "The crying Indian."

Today, they never show those anymore, and i am seeing young people littering as a result. I was recently in a fast food lot, and saw a car pull in, a young guy about 20 get out, and throw a bunch old fast food trash into the bushes, then walk into the restaurant. He passed a trash can next to the door on his way in, where he could have tossed his trash, but he just tossed it in the bushes instead.

I collected up the trash, and set it on the hood of his fancy hot rod.

I've seen plenty of similar examples in the last few years, because young people dont see those PSAs telling them not to, and even their parents havent been educated to teach them.

[-] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 hours ago

Idk, that was before my time and it just seems common sense to me to not litter 🤷‍♂️ the trash doesn't just disappear and it will become someone else's problem.

It feels to me a lot of people don't care if it becomes someone else's problem and that mentality goes through all parts of their lives.

[-] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 7 points 4 hours ago

And that was the secondary effect of PSAs like the litter campaign. The underlying message was that we are all in this together, we have to live with each other, so lets try to clean up after ourselves because it benefits us all.

That message being burned in our brains at such a young age contributed to our sense of pride in America. Today, it's just everyone for themselves.

[-] TheDeadlySquid@lemm.ee 18 points 6 hours ago

Pack in, Pack out.

[-] Pondis@lemmy.world 25 points 8 hours ago

Sounds to me like they just dont want to empty the bins any more. I suspect after a few months of picking rubbish off the floor, the bins will be back.

Or not and everyone will complain and stop going.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 37 points 9 hours ago

The only way this will work is if humans behave in ways that no human has ever humaned

[-] pishadoot@sh.itjust.works 10 points 7 hours ago

There are countries where this is culturally how litter is managed. Japan is a fully developed example - bins are hard to come by, everyone brings their trash with them.

It can be done.

[-] spookex@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

Unless they are in a car, take a walk along one of the less used roads and you will find empty food containers and piss bottles galore

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 hours ago

If there is a bin I will use it, if not I will take it home.

If you don't you are scum and deserve to be pilloried in the town square.

[-] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

People who go to trails are not gaurnteed, but are more likely to care about the environment they traveled to go to. Mostly.

[-] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 17 points 8 hours ago

We survive that way in Japan with almost no bins. Of course the odd person litters, but most don't; if we can pack it in, we can pack it out. Now, if there were no bin inside the cafe, that would be idiotic.

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 11 points 7 hours ago

I do have the impression that Japanese people have a much stronger "social responsibility" with public stuff compared to most westerners.

[-] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 3 points 3 hours ago

Whilst this is not wrong and shame is a big motivator in Japan, some otherwise bored cops fining literers for a while would probably prevent that situation. On the other hand, I think maintaining some bins (infra to install and hardware + maintenance cleaning and maybe the odd security check) would be cheaper, beeter, and friendlier

[-] AAA@feddit.org 3 points 6 hours ago

*all westerners

Really. Japanese society has a lot of issues on its own, but there's also a lot to learn from them.

[-] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 3 points 3 hours ago

I disagree with the broad brush as not all westerners nor easterners would fit into that (see rural areas that suddenly got disposable travel income), you are right that Japan is far from perfect but we could all benefit from some exchange

[-] Syun@retrolemmy.com 21 points 9 hours ago

The places with the fewest places to deposit one's trash are always the ones with the most litter. Always.

If someone wants another person to adapt a behavior, from a purely practical standpoint, that person must make the other person's job easier or it will simply not work to get them to adapt. If this wasn't a forest (such as it is, it being the UK), the only proper thing to do would be to dump as much trash there as possible while demanding the bins back until they get the message and cave in. I could write a whole book here about how the packaging industry paid lobbyists and PR firms to put the blame on consumers for the useless crap they make existing in the first place, and shaming them into keeping it out of sight and thus out of mind. I won't. But it's a tale vile enough that it convinced me that there's a time and a place for littering as protest. The woods aren't the place.

Besides, there ARE receptacles that are critter resistant. This is an absolute cop out, and seeing how landscaped the area is, a couple of bins would hardly scar the landscape. This is pure crap. I looked the place up, and it's NOT the kind of place where you deny people trash receptacles, nor is it the kind of place you can credibly base your argument on "we don't want animals to get used to people". Good lord, what a bunch of idiocy.

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 18 points 9 hours ago

"To support our commitment to reducing the number of covid cases, we have elected to discontinue counting them. We kindly ask all infected to kindly die at home."

[-] starlinguk@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Skip that last sentence.

[-] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 5 points 8 hours ago

Geniuses have no understanding of how some people can be dirty.

[-] LuckyPierre@lemm.ee 23 points 12 hours ago

One problem with outside bins is that the wildlife is naturally drawn to them and the contents can be damaging to them as well as desensitising animals to people, plus things like squirrels and birds will pull rubbish out of the bins and spread it around.

[-] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 20 points 11 hours ago

Why not put that on the sign then instead of some vague, unrelated bollocks that doesn't justify the removal? If that's the case then I feel the wording on the sign is borderline dishonest.

[-] x00z@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago

You can have wildlife proof bins.

[-] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 5 points 9 hours ago

I'm on board with this. Don't bring rubbish into woodland areas; and if you do bring it - take it back with you.

I'm sure the bins were very convenient - but its a convenience that only helps you leave trash in the woodland for someone else to collect. And as others have pointed out, the rubbish can cause problems even if it is all put in the bin.

So yeah, I can see that it is mildly frustrating - but I don't think 'take your rubbish home' is too much of an ask.

[-] dickalan@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

Yeah, I agree but if you know anything about human behavior, you would realize all this paragraph you wrote was for nothing because people are going to do what people do

[-] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 3 points 7 hours ago

I've just come back from a holiday which involved lots of hiking in mountains and woodlands. It's rare to see bins out there, and yet somehow the places are clean. But please tell me more about human behaviour. Getting insulted by strangers on the internet is so fun.

[-] spicy_mango@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Relax buddy

[-] jimbel@lemm.ee 8 points 10 hours ago

Just take your own rubbish home

[-] MrsDoyle@sh.itjust.works 13 points 11 hours ago

I fully support the choice to remove the bins. I visited a beauty spot in Scotland recently that has a coffee van in the carpark. The young couple I took there went to add their empty cups to the already overflowing bin, and were baffled when I insisted they take them to the car, which was ten steps away. "But there's a bin!" Yes you numpties, and the wind is already spreading its contents everywhere. Be part of the solution, not the problem.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 15 points 12 hours ago

That's not how human behavior works...

Someone thinks they're very clever and they aren't.

[-] F_OFF_Reddit@lemmy.world 25 points 14 hours ago

"We don't have enough funds to make the guys do that route, what do we do? what did you say Shannon? masquerade it as taking care of the environment? that's fantastic"

[-] JustARegularNerd@lemmy.world 12 points 12 hours ago

Hey ChatGPT, I'm a dork who works for a local council and we are cutting costs by removing two bins from a local forestry. Can you come up with a sign that spins the removal of these bins into a positive?

[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 19 points 15 hours ago

I was walkin' through the forest

And a sign said they removed the bins to produce less rubbish

"We kindly ask all visitors to take their litter home!"

Man, what do I look like, a garbage bin?

I threw it on the ground!

[-] HollowNaught@lemmy.world 30 points 16 hours ago

Wait, so there are bins inside and they don't want bins outside because it's a wildlife area?

Sounds like OP's a little lazy, this is a very understandable change

[-] Nighed@feddit.uk 5 points 9 hours ago

Is only mildly annoying. Lots of people asking where the bins though.

I can see a lot of paper cups being left in tables etc

[-] FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world 18 points 14 hours ago

But they sell disposable items, likely for profit. They can't have a system to dispose of trash in a responsible manner?

[-] b_n@sh.itjust.works 7 points 12 hours ago

Sounds like they have bins inside. That is responsible no?

You have the right to purchase something, doesn't mean you have the right of convenience.

[-] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 6 points 12 hours ago

Most of these places, at least in Canada, are strictly operated as not-for-profit establishments, with focus on as little actual litter as possible. So no plastic lids or straws, no packaging. Wooden stir sticks, brown paper bags, etc. Local produce only. While these decompose easily, it's still unsightly, so most of Parcs Canada / SEPAQ doesn't have bins outside either.

I'd be disappointed if this were not the way that things are being done in England.

[-] Mpatch@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

This is false. Any location at Parks Canada that sells concessions will have a gargabe bin usually 55gal drum. Also there are multiple bear proof sortable garbage bins recycling bins and propane bottle disposal.

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[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 6 points 12 hours ago

So bring our own bin and pickup the stuff other people dropped as well?

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