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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by Maddison@sh.itjust.works to c/firefox@lemmy.ml

edited the heading of the question. I think most of us here are reasoning why more people are not using firefox (because it was the initial question), but none of that explains why it's actively losing marketshare.

I don't agree ideologically with Firefox management and am somewhat of a semi-conservative (and my previous posts might testify to that), I think Firefox browser is absolutely amazing! It's beautiful and it just feels good. It has awesome features like containers. It's better for privacy than any mainstream browser out there (even counting Brave here) and it has great integration between PC and Phone. It's open-source (unlike Chrome) and it supports a good chunk of extensions you would need.

This was about PC, but I believe even for Mobiles it looks great and it allows features like extensions (and I hear desktop extensions are coming to firefox android?), it's just a great ecosystem and it's available everywhere unlike most FOSS softwares.

So why is Firefox's market share dying?

I mean, I have a few ideas why it might be, maybe correct me I guess?

  1. Most people don't know how to use extensions well and how to use Firefox well. (Most of my friends in their 30's still live without ad blockers, so I don't think many are educated here)
  2. It's just not as fast as Chrome or Brave. I can't deny this, but despite of this, I find it's worthy.
  3. It's not the default.
  4. Many features which are Google specific aren't supported.
  5. Many websites are just not supporting firefox anymore (looking at you snapchat), but you would be right in saying this is the effect of Firefox losing it's market share not the cause (at least for now) and you would be right.

But what else?

I might take time (a lot of it) to get back at you, thanks for understanding.

occasionally I’ll find websites that don’t work 100% because they were coded primarily for chromium based browsers. FU Google

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[-] Coskii 5 points 2 years ago

Despite the memes, Firefox was the one which decided it wanted to deep throat 30gb of my ram by default for no discernable reason so I stopped using it. Only extentions I had installed were ad block and the reddit enchantment suite. Since then I've been really enjoying the video pop out of opera.

[-] Maddison@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

deep throat 30gb of my

Me no know what you mean

Since then I’ve been really enjoying the video pop out of opera.

another killer feature of FF I could not live without, FF has it too you know.

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[-] jfx@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago

I think a lot comes down to preinstalled SW on phones (Chrome/Safari) and the enterprise world. My rather large employer just switched from FF preinstalled to Edge for all work devices since it alreadz comes with Windows.

Maybe Firefox is missing a really compelling enterprise offering for Desktops? Everybody less savvy is on mobile anyways, which is dominated by the Duopoly Apple/Google.

[-] Index@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 years ago

I actually switched away from Firefox to Vivaldi a few months ago mainly for 2 reasons.

  1. Firefox's profiles are dogshit. They are almost a hidden feature and are very cumbersome to use.

  2. The Android browser support for certain types of extensions is dodgy. Using uBlock Origin delays the loading of all webpages by a few seconds for some reason. There is a Github issue about this that has been open for a few years now.

I want the browser I use to be on both Android and desktop. Vivaldi has been OK so far.

I do miss a lot of the good stuff from Firefox, especially their address bar. For some reason I find it much better than anything on Chromium based browsers. Firefox's is much snappier and is correct with it's suggestions the majority of the time.

I also like Firefox's sync between devices to be much better.

When those 2 issues are resolved I will come back, but as it stands now it's a hassle for my needs.

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[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago
  1. It doesn't have native integration for features some people find incredibly useful. For example, tab stacking and the eternally useful side bar of Opera/Vivaldi. These features are hand waived away by FF fans but to those that find them integral it's worth staying on a browser that doesn't require bloating it up with extensions just to replicate the baked in features of another offering.

  2. People are starting to realize that all the "Mozilla is the hero in the fight against chromium!" Bullshit is really just talking points since they're funded primarily by Google. Taking the bite out of any moral arguments to use it. Convincing the couple hundred thousand fediversians to switch would be consider a rounding error in the global user base of chrome, and the future of the web will continue to evolve as browser suppliers find ways of circumventing whatever crap Google cooks up. Nothing is ever "the end." As long as software exists something will be designed to crack it.

  3. You sound like an AI generated Firefox Ad.

[-] Maddison@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

You sound like an AI generated Firefox Ad.

beep bop boop! I am a bot

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[-] Engywuck@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Thank Mozilla for this. They're too busy with other shit and between feature removals and crappy UI changes, they've managed to loose a huge amount of users. I used to be one of them. Now I wouldn't touch FF with a 10 feet pole. I simply refuse to give Mozilla more visibility.

[-] Getallen@feddit.nl 4 points 2 years ago

Well, what browser did you switch to?

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[-] Qyuzu@lemdro.id 3 points 2 years ago

The thing with Firefox is that it's not the best at performance, especially on phones where the browser can be laggy. I use Ungoogled Chromium instead which is Chrome without Google and some nice tweaks !

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[-] bitwolf@lemmy.one 3 points 2 years ago

I use Firefox, but it has been becoming a chore.

Specifically on Android, randomly it'll just not load a page or change tabs. It'll also randomly just lose the entire DOM and only render a black screen.

I still put up with it but I'm hoping they can focus on UX quirks a little more.

[-] 9up999@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Firefox lost it's shares to normies because it was bad. Then it lost shares of tinkers because it moved extension, user agent and so on to chromium. Small market shares means developers don't give a damn about testing on firefox. Firefox doesn't show correctly pages and has no good support for pwa, microsoft teams etc. Chromium invents new things wich only edge and chrome have/support. Normies use browser wich just work out of the box for work and pleasure. It's a circle. You can tinker with your niche browser but massed decides what is what. Chrome/Edge are just better for every day use. Simple as that.*

[-] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago

Cuz frankly, they dum

They use whatevers already on their phone/computer. Most non-tech savvy people likely use iPhone.

[-] Mio@feddit.nu 3 points 2 years ago

Firefox boot slower on Android. Webkit-based browsers boot much faster. I think they make use of some preloading of the browser itself.

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