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[-] KeraKali@lemmy.world 58 points 1 month ago

I'm gonna need some names because I only recognize like, two.

[-] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 82 points 1 month ago

Going from lawful to chaotic, good to evil, we have:

  • Gecko (Firefox, Seamonkey, and derivatives)
  • Servo
  • Libweb (Ladybird)
  • Links2 (as well as ELinks and other forks)
  • WebKit (used in a lot of stuff, namely Safari and GNOME Web)
  • Goanna (Pale Moon and Basilisk)
  • QtWebEngine (Konqueror, Falkon, and qutebrowser)
  • Blink (Chromium, Brave, and derivatives)
  • Trident (Internet Explorer, old versions of Maxthon, old versions of Avant, and any homemade browser created with Visual Studio).
[-] cerement@slrpnk.net 51 points 1 month ago

(until they get a new lead dev, Ladybird is definitely not any type of “Good”)

[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 26 points 1 month ago

100%, this is either uninformed or some apologia

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

What's going on? I've seen this new browser engine referenced recently a decent bit but I have no info beyond 'it's new and exists'.

[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 40 points 1 month ago

the lead dev is a freeze peach absolutist. he's said some ignorant shit about trans people and when people said "hey, let's adjust this language" he was like "let's not get political"

[-] cyberblob@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 days ago

What exactly has been said?

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

That's unfortunate :(

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[-] Gormadt 9 points 1 month ago

Also a quick cliff notes on what each is would be greatly appreciated

I only recognize the Chromium icon...

[-] jqubed@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

These are browser engines, or at least software for rendering HTML but not necessarily the actual browser. I don’t know them all, but top left, Gecko, is the engine for Mozilla, center is Web Kit for Safari, bottom center is Chromium for Chrome, Brave, Edge, etc., and bottom right is Trident, the old engine for Microsoft Internet Explorer.

[-] amino 6 points 1 month ago

what's the difference between the engine and the browser itself? is it similar to the Linux kernel vs the Debian user space?

[-] Ephera@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

The engine makes it so HTML, CSS, JavaScript etc. are downloaded and turned into pixels you can look at. The browser embeds an engine for that purpose, but then also has a URL bar, tabs, bookmarks, a history feature and so on.

[-] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago

Pretty much.

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[-] erotador 55 points 1 month ago

chaotic good? ladybird? the browser by devs that refuse to use your pronouns?

https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814

[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

People are losing their shit, calling for boycotts, and throwing around accusations of transphobia over comments in the source code and a single line of documentation? Seriously? And brigading the developer three years after the fact‽ I was ready to write off Ladybird, but damn, this was taken way out of proportion.

I'm all in for equal treatment, but people need to get a perspective. Such an extreme reaction will ultimately hurt the cause they're trying to advocate for. Getting bent out of shape and publicly brigading something for every perceived slight, every time someone's feelings are hurt, or can't get their way, will get them -- and the demographic or movement they represent -- labelled as undesirable.

[-] TuxEnthusiast@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is why I hate the FOSS community. Everyone freaks out and cries wolf the second a platform doesn't share their political opinion, even if it's completely irrelevant to privacy or FOSS.

[-] coldsideofyourpillow@lemmy.cafe 14 points 1 month ago

Personally, I'd want my software to value basic human decency, no matter how good the code is. If the developer lashes out at an inclusive change in a single line of documentation, I'm not using that browser even if it could solve my taxes.

This is just my take though, and if you want to use the browser, then go for it.

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[-] kekmacska@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 month ago

Foss certainly aligns better with left-wing philosophies, i don't think far-right need to be widely accepted in these communities

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[-] HStone32@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

I don't think performative politics is a FOSS community problem. It's more of an whole Internet problem.

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[-] erotador 13 points 1 month ago

not sure how exactly I'm losing my shit? I posted a single link, and let people decide for themselves, if your fine with supporting sexist people then nobody is stopping you.

and personally I don't care if you think I'm hurting my cause, people who get this butthurt over some simple words and basic respect, simply are not the kind of people who I want to be around anyways.

[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I worded that poorly. The "you" was plural (I want the singular "thou" back) and meant to refer to the people who are losing their shit, not any one individual.

(edit) I also just want to point out that accusing me of being a sexist sympathizer and two hours later posting this shit is real funny.

[-] Donkter@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Should have said "yous guyses"

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[-] coldsideofyourpillow@lemmy.cafe 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I've checked out the PR, and it does look bad. But I'd like to see a justification. The comment seems blatantly transphobic/misogynistic. Seems like you're saying that my understanding is extreme. How could yours be refuted?

Brigading was clearly not justified, but as per my apparently extreme opinions, so isn't the original reply?

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[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

Oh what the fuck, dev came off like a fucking ass to a minor suggestion.

[-] fl42v@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 month ago

Lmao, a weird choice of a hill to die on. Although, given I've seen ppl refer to a user account as "he" exactly 0 times before that, I suspect the dev may speak smth like French natively, where everything is either male or female.

That said, i'd rather use "it" instead of "they", given an account (and anon one at that) is not a person.

[-] erotador 18 points 1 month ago

I'm fairly certain the main dev is swedish

[-] fl42v@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

Huh, checked out their noun genders, and those are quite interesting: 2 genders, but common and neuter instead of masculine and feminine. So out goes that theory

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[-] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 month ago

Foss community is so insufferable and toxic

[-] Turret3857@infosec.pub 13 points 1 month ago

can you be more specific about what part of the community is toxic?

[-] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Like the comment I replied to. I understand calling people out but that is such an irrelevant topic to the discussion.

It's not always sunshine and rainbows but I don't see the need to whine about every little thing.

Also note that I'm being fair here. Majority people who are not into foss simply avoid it because of how often they see people bitching about said foss products. It's just not a good look.

[-] Turret3857@infosec.pub 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I mean I understand why you feel that way but if someone were to refer to me as a woman, as a cis guy I would take it as a sign of disrespect, so I feel more obliged to take the side of the people who are complaining. I feel it is somewhat relevant considering one of the projects mentioned is developed by the people in the link.

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[-] trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

Why is QtWebEngine considered evil?

[-] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 month ago

It's effectively Chromium.

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 6 points 1 month ago

It’s the other way around. KHTML begat WebKit and Blink, then we got QtWeb.

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[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 month ago

khtml deserves to be in the gift to humanity category

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

What the fuck? Safari is neutral???

[-] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago

That is Webkit, not Safari. Lots of things other than Safari use it.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago
[-] qaz@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

Gnome's browser uses it afaik

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[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm not sure I have a lot of faith in Servo but we are in need of anything better than Gecko. Ladybird is the new one on the block and we will see if it goes anywhere. I like that Ladybird it's own web browser.

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[-] milliams@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Where's KHTML? The O.G. GOAT.

[-] Baleine@jlai.lu 10 points 1 month ago

Well that's WebKit now

[-] lmuel@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 month ago

Ladybird is certainly interesting to watch, it's improving quite quickly.

I know people on here hate it because of one (admittedly not at all nice) gender issue in the codes comments but like... seriously?

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